JetBlue Owning Some Chick

Good call, why did they deviate from the taxi line and go that far back onto the chevrons? I was a little more surprised by one of the related St Maarten videos on Liveleak though, where a KLM 747 has to make a very late go around due to coming nose to nose with another 747 back taxiing on the runway. Is ATC down there on "island time" or something? :)
 
inigo88 said:
Good call, why did they deviate from the taxi line and go that far back onto the chevrons? I was a little more surprised by one of the related St Maarten videos on Liveleak though, where a KLM 747 has to make a very late go around due to coming nose to nose with another 747 back taxiing on the runway. Is ATC down there on "island time" or something? :)
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It's one guy working approach, ground, clearance, and tower. I'm surprised there aren't more go arounds.
 
Why wouldn't they build a blast fence though? I have seen countless videos of people being thrown into the water, which is all fun and games if you into that crap. But im surprised they even allow that to happen. Fear of it getting struck on landing maybe?
 
This is nothing new for anyone that has witnessed an Insel Air takeoff from St. Maarten. Every departure I saw by those guys, for a week, was on the chevrons. They fire wall the throttles and hold the brakes on most of their takeoffs, despite the fact they're island hopping and have light fuel loads - the majority of the time. One of the times sending a family swimming, $5,000 Canon and all. The MD-80 with it's engines in the back, puts the jet blast quite close to the fence. JetBlue ain't got nothin on the caribbean cowboys flying at Insel Air.
 
FlyByWire22 said:
This is nothing new for anyone that has witnessed an Insel Air takeoff from St. Maarten. Every departure I saw by those guys, for a week, was on the chevrons. They fire wall the throttles and hold the brakes on most of their takeoffs, despite the fact they're island hopping and have light fuel loads - the majority of the time. One of the times sending a family swimming, $5,000 Canon and all. The MD-80 with it's engines in the back, puts the jet blast quite close to the fence. JetBlue ain't got nothin on the caribbean cowboys flying at Insel Air.
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Yup, that's one of the loudest, most painful sounds I've ever heard! Second only to the 727 that took off after it. I have a picture somewhere of the Insel Air FO looking right at the camera and grinning giving the devil horns sign.
 
I guess the "Serious injury OR DEATH" part of the sign doesn't cover them from liability enough? Chevrons or not, it's her own stupid fault.
 
sure the pilots were probably being a little cavalier but there are warning signs on the fence. This won't keep some people from filing lawsuits when they are injured by jet blast but at the end of the day the airline and the airport can point to the sign on the fence. Any idiot willing to stand in jet blast (I work on the ramp and avoid coming in contact with blast- that sounds somewhat inappropriate) to be "macho" is definitely on Darwins short list. If they ain't got the brains to think, "I shouldn't do this" then it shouldn't be someone else's job to exercise judgement for them.
 
JordanD said:
Yup, that's one of the loudest, most painful sounds I've ever heard! Second only to the 727 that took off after it.
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Try an older model Gulfstream my friend. This is a video I personally shot, and I really wish I had air plugs for the takeoff. ;)
 
JordanD said:
I guess the "Serious injury OR DEATH" part of the sign doesn't cover them from liability enough? Chevrons or not, it's her own stupid fault.
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The chevrons are there to keep this kind of thing from happening, warning signs or not. I've spent MANY hours at the Sunset Beach Bar & Grill, and not ONCE have I seen anyone get blown off the fence like these people did. Even the KLM 747 or Air France A340 doing static takeoffs from the actual runway threshold don't pose the threat that this A320 did from the area marked with chevrons.

Unfortunately, in places like St Maarten where we (pilots) operate aircraft in close proximity to the general public, the onus is on us to make every effort to mitigate the risk to those that are too dumb to have regard for their surroundings. Again...warning signs or not.

If anything, the girl AND the crew share the blame.
 
I have to call absolute bovine excrement to anyone placing the blame on the pilots.
Darwin, morons etc... to those injured. They aren't going to receive any sympathy from me.

Here's a news flash for you ace's out there, you are free to use the chevrons for your take off roll. If you think that that aircraft moving 500' feet to the threshold would have prevented those two morons from getting hurt, I have a bridge to sell you.

It's nice to know that very few of you have the backs of your fellow aviators when it comes to stupid discussions like this.
 
Nark said:
Here's a news flash for you ace's out there, you are free to use the chevrons for your take off roll.
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Hey ace. No you can't.


Nark said:
If you think that that aircraft moving 500' feet to the threshold would have prevented those two morons from getting hurt, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Ever seen the "danger area" chart in the flight manual of a transport category aircraft? 500' makes a WORLD of difference.
 
MikeD said:
Or Sabreliner, or Jetstar, or early Lear with the -610 engines. All beautiful sounds of straight turbojet.....zero bypass.
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I wish I could have heard a JetStar take off with the straight turbojets. They have a pretty distinct sound with the Garretts, but I'm sure that doesn't even come close.
 
I'm not so sure that he actually was sitting on the chevrons when he applied takeoff power. The only thing we can see from the video is that his tail is hanging over the chevrons. But with a displaced threshold of only about 100 feet, that doesn't tell us much. The majority of the airplane could have easily been past the chevrons. Very difficult to tell from that video.

In any case, if there are signs up that warn of the possibility of death, then I have zero sympathy for Darwin Award winner wannabes who hang onto the fence when transport category aircraft are applying takeoff power. The morons deserve exactly what they got. Cleanse the gene pool, I say.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Ever seen the "danger area" chart in the flight manual of a transport category aircraft? 500' makes a WORLD of difference.
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Ya, I have ace, and here is a picture for everyone else to enjoy too:
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I'll be man and admit I was incorrect with the yellow painted chevrons. After a look in the FAA AIM, it is not to used to taxi.
 
For those of you that have never been to St Maarten, here's a picture of a JetBlue A320 starting it's takeoff roll from just beyond the threshold.

But yeah, it's hard to tell from the video whether or not they're in the chevrons :sarcasm:

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Those charts don't show the dropoff as you get further and further away from the engine. 500ft makes a HUGE difference.
 
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