JetBlue FA fired????

[TonyC]

Well, the story appears to be more than just an urban legend created or perpetuated by QueenofSky. Carolyn made contact with me - - I guess I asked around enough. She says the story as written is correct. She was told that hotel rooms were unavailable in FLL because of a boat show in MIA.



So, feel free to comment at will. I encourage you to consider, though, that she should be cut some slack for any poor decision she might have made to continue the flight. After all, she DID state that she was fatigued, and that by definition impairs her judgment. I believe that the supervisor who heard her plea of fatigue and persuaded her to continue is cuplable for the compromise of safety that she might have caused.



Perhaps this story would have grown legs if it hadn't touched the Queen of Sky domain.





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[RABIRZA69]

It is in fact true, I have a bunch of friends who are FA at JB and sure enough she was sleeping in the jumpseat. She was reported by someone else in her crew. Apparently she was trying to overdue herself as she had some "financial" problems.

 

[tonyw]

So, feel free to comment at will. I encourage you to consider, though, that she should be cut some slack for any poor decision she might have made to continue the flight. After all, she DID state that she was fatigued, and that by definition impairs her judgment. I believe that the supervisor who heard her plea of fatigue and persuaded her to continue is cuplable for the compromise of safety that she might have caused.

If she really was fatigued to the point where she felt she would have compromised safety, she should have said, no, I can't do this. Unfrotunately, in an environment where you are probably an at will employee, you really don't have any protection if you do that.

What pisses me off, though, is that she was ratted out by some of her colleagues. She went along with them, obviously against her wishes, and yet they ratted on her?

 

[TonyC]

If she really was fatigued to the point where she felt she would have compromised safety, she should have said, no, I can't do this. Unfrotunately, in an environment where you are probably an at will employee, you really don't have any protection if you do that.

That's the "Catch 22." When one is too tired to make good judgments, he is usually too tired to realize he's too tired to make good judgments, namely, the judgment to knock it off.


I can recall numerous times when I used my 20/20 hindsight glasses to see where I should have called "uncle", but my instinct, my character, my commitment to the goal persuaded me to press on. It's only good fortune that has prevented me from finding myself in an ugly "I wish I had just called fatigue" situation.



The supervisor doesn't have that excuse.




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[tonyw]

That's the "Catch 22." When one is too tired to make good judgments, he is usually too tired to realize he's too tired to make good judgments, namely, the judgment to knock it off.

Agreed. Have you ever spent a day in traffic court? I forgot to pay a fine and ended up going to court for a speeding ticket one time.

A lot of the folks who got busted for DUI say something along the lines of I was too messed up to realize I was too messed up to drive. And honestly, even though it's not an excuse to drive drunk, that does make sense.

If your judgement is impaired, you're not making sound decisions. A sober/unfatigued you would say the hell with this, going on would be stupid.

But you're not sober/unfatigued so you do something stupid.

 

[SteveC]

What pisses me off, though, is that she was ratted out by some of her colleagues. She went along with them, obviously against her wishes, and yet they ratted on her?

Maybe they felt "ratted out" by her? Maybe they were the ones that were pushing to turn down the flight, and she talked them into doing it. Then they see her taking a little nap, get P.O.'ed and turn her in?

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[flyover]

What pisses me off, though, is that she was ratted out by some of her colleagues. She went along with them, obviously against her wishes, and yet they ratted on her?

Which raises the question of how the other FAs viewed her stunt. Could be that they had hit their limit with her. I've seen cases where someone incorrectly thought they were being illegally assigned and it got quite theatrical and pretty trying for those working with them. Once you decide to fly and allow the door to close it's time to suck it up and get 'er done.

 

[tonyw]

Maybe they felt "ratted out" by her? Maybe they were the ones that were pushing to turn down the flight, and she talked them into doing it. Then they see her taking a little nap, get P.O.'ed and turn her in?

Well, if the story is true, then it looks like she didn't want to, the rest of her crew agreed, and then she went along.

But, if she was whining about it the whole way along, and then takes a nap, yeah, you're just asking to be reported there.

Once you decide to fly and allow the door to close it's time to suck it up and get 'er done.

Agreed, but unless she did something to piss me off, if I'm on that crew, and I see her catching a few winks, I wake her up, but I don't report her.

Know what we need? We need an FA to comment on this one.

 

[Aero_Engineer]

Although I sympetize with the FA but as I had read the article before on the "Diary of a fired Flight Attendant" site, I came up to the conclusion that she had to refuse to fly especially if she was the lead flight attendant. No hotel rooms in FLL is a bunch of crap from the company that was given to her, the other flight attendants went on to fly because they were scared so she had to take a leading role and refused to fly.
At the end I am sorry again that she lost her job.

 

[derg]

Geez, I'd hate for the people that fired her to see what goes on in the cockpit on a long transcontinental flight.

But you guys will have to wait for the book for that one.

 

[Ripper3785]

Geez, I'd hate for the people that fired her to see what goes on in the cockpit on a long transcontinental flight.

But you guys will have to wait for the book for that one.

One story I heard from a cockpit jumpseater, "this captain used to crack open the window, light a cigarette, and drive the DC-10 around like it was his cadillac" (on the ground I assume)

"American 385 exit taxiway Delta"

"exit taxiway DIXIE, American 385"

 

[derg]

If you'r pressurized, the chances of getting a window open are slim to none.

 

[aloft]

Geez, I'd hate for the people that fired her to see what goes on in the cockpit on a long transcontinental flight.

But you guys will have to wait for the book for that one.

And exactly why cameras don't belong in the cockpit!

 

[derg]

The general public probably couldn't handle the truth!

 

[B767Driver]

If you'r pressurized, the chances of getting a window open are slim to none.

Let's say the cockpit window is 24" by 36". Max differential pressure is 8.07psi. Force to open the window would be (24)(36)(8.07) = 6972 pounds.

I lift weights...but that's a little out of my league.

 

[TonyC]

Let's say the cockpit window is 24" by 36". Max differential pressure is 8.07psi. Force to open the window would be (24)(36)(8.07) = 6972 pounds.

I lift weights...but that's a little out of my league.

But what if I had some leverage???











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[derg]

The "But what if" scenarios are what makes it a little 'challenging' to be a webmaster sometimes!

"Nevermind your answer, but let me re-ask it to get an answer consistent with my preconceptions!"

 

[tonyw]

Let's say the cockpit window is 24" by 36". Max differential pressure is 8.07psi. Force to open the window would be (24)(36)(8.07) = 6972 pounds.

I lift weights...but that's a little out of my league.

Aww, come on, just go on the Barry Bonds plan! The Clear will set you free!