Jet University ???

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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I've called them up and asked them myself, while doing research. 100% of Jet U pilots hired on with Pinnacle. If a pilot doesn't get hired with Pinnacle, he's guaranteed admittance (for free) into a Gulfstream Academy class and then fly the B1900 for 250 hours. That's your "guarantee," and in fact, they give you that in writing. So far, no one has had to do that, everyone has gotten on with Pinnacle.

No, you do not get a degree. What Jet U is: a Pinnacle specific pilot mill.

Good luck whatever you decide to choose!
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I trained a guy for his ME commercial-instrument addon -- he needed it to go to Jet U. He's actually doing Jet U instead of a college degree. For some reason, he's convinced that he needs this guaranteed job. Must be the flashy advertising, who knows.

I keep seeing here that going to one of these mills is a black mark on your professional record. Has anyone actually seen real evidence of this?

-C.
 
Hey people, few things.

Max, it is scary how well you know me, or rather, how well you remember things about me! LOL!

But, Lewis is right. I am not in attendance at Jet U, but I did research them.


clumpinglitter said:
I trained a guy for his ME commercial-instrument addon -- he needed it to go to Jet U. He's actually doing Jet U instead of a college degree. For some reason, he's convinced that he needs this guaranteed job. Must be the flashy advertising, who knows.

-C.
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I would recommend he go to a college/university institution and get a degree in something he likes.

Jet U is not a university. It's a 12-13 week CRJ course designed as a Pinnacle pilot mill.



I keep seeing here that going to one of these mills is a black mark on your professional record. Has anyone actually seen real evidence of this?
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No it is not. If you hang around APC and FI long enough, you will see and hear of pilots that have come from Gulfstream and GoJets, and hired onto Continental, UPS, etc.

FlyChicaga posted a while ago about a 25 yr old Gulfstream Academy graduate flying the B1900 that was hired at Continental... 757/767 out of EWR at the age of 25. How'd he get hired at Continental from Gulfstream? He knew people. I think his father was an Assistant Chief Pilot with Continental.

What I'm saying is that in business, majors won't care you went to Jet U. All they'll see is what's on your resume, and that's Pinnacle Airlines.

Jet U is no different than the AllATPS CRJ course, it's longer and more expensive. But in both cases, you can get hired at regionals with bare bone minimums.

Gulfstream Academy is the 'bad' one, in the sense that you pay to occupy the right seat of a B1900 for 250 hours.

That's what I would not recommend.

But Jet U, AllATPs will not be a black mark on your career. These two places do not buy you a job. It is merely a CRJ course at the end of which you can interview with regionals.

At Jet U and AllATPs, in no way are you paying to sit in the right seat of an airplane (like Gulfstream).

It's just CRJ training for those who want it (and for those who can afford it). So, it won't be a black mark on your career if you go to Jet U or AllATPs.


It's all about *who* you know. That's why even Gulfstream Academy grads have gotten on with legacy majors.
 
Three things...

Just because you get on with a place doesn't mean that you will have a good time there. We have a bunch of GIA people here (including an ex GIA chief pilot). Many of the captains don't like flying with them and make that pretty well known.

As far as GoJets guys getting on with CAL, I hate to say it, but that says a lot more about CAL then it does the industry.

While I agree that as long as 9E and other places still take people that DON'T have the JetU or ATP CRJ sign off, these programs are just a useless waste of money, the minute that starts becoming a requirement for hire then the people who have done those things have screwed over an entire generation of new hires.
 
The only positive I see from the brochure and this forum is the sim training you get on the CRJ 200. To me that would really help prepare you for the regional training you go thru.... but thats alot of money. Building hours and getting hired is great but if you have 0 experience in the type they test you on, you could wash out.
 
Tuckster said:
The only positive I see from the brochure and this forum is the sim training you get on the CRJ 200. To me that would really help prepare you for the regional training you go thru.... but thats alot of money. Building hours and getting hired is great but if you have 0 experience in the type they test you on, you could wash out.
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It's one thing to try to snag an hour or two in a CRJ FTD so you sort of know what is going on during your interview. That's all well and good. But spending several thousands of dollars to learn the exact same thing you are going to learn once you actually get hired is sort of a waste. It's great to be prepared, but airlines have been teaching guys with no time in type how to fly an RJ (or any other plane for that matter) for years now. Places like JetU are latching on to low time pilots insecurities about how good a pilot they actually are and selling (what I think is) a useless product.
 
Tuckster said:
The only positive I see from the brochure and this forum is the sim training you get on the CRJ 200. To me that would really help prepare you for the regional training you go thru.... but thats alot of money. Building hours and getting hired is great but if you have 0 experience in the type they test you on, you could wash out.
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Keep in mind that for everyone 1 guy that gets through regional training that did one of these programs, there are 3+ more that get through that DIDN'T do one of those programs. I had 0 experience in the CRJ when I went through, so did my sim partner. We both did just fine without some kind of pre-ground school course.
 
Good points ... like I said, its alot of money.
By the way, I had a regional ask me for my resume' ...:nana2: & they know my age so thats a good thing !!

What I plan to do at this point is to get my comm ME, keep flying to build some more hours & study that dang FAR/AIM like crazy.
Thanks to all of you for the helping hand. Like I said in an earlier post, I want to stay a member in good standing of this 'family'. With the exception of a couple of young hot shots that want to get rid of geezers, everyone has been very helpful & seem to sincerely care.
Thanks again !!!!
 
If I only had 7 years to fiddle around in the business, I probably wouldn't be too concerned with "black marks" on my record. Oh, and I also hear that the only place where going to a GIA or JetU tarnishes your reputation is on aviation message boards - from what I hear, no one else is really down with what these programs do. Just what I hear, though.
 
"going to a GIA or JetU tarnishes your reputation is on aviation message boards"

I like to think of aviation message boards as an accurate cross section of reality. Sometimes you have to wade through the BS, but why would something as one sided as the Gulfstream issue not be accurate in real life? I can only say I take it personally. I can't speak for anyone else, I guess.
 
DE727UPS said:
"going to a GIA or JetU tarnishes your reputation is on aviation message boards"

I like to think of aviation message boards as an accurate cross section of reality. Sometimes you have to wade through the BS, but why would something as one sided as the Gulfstream issue not be accurate in real life? I can only say I take it personally. I can't speak for anyone else, I guess.
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I just think people aren't aware of it - that's all. I mean, I really didn't think it was all that bad of a thing until I came onto these message boards.
 
Murdoughnut said:
I just think people aren't aware of it - that's all. I mean, I really didn't think it was all that bad of a thing until I came onto these message boards.
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Says the Instrument student to the 757 captain...:)

WAY more people then you think, especially at the regional level, are aware of what is happening below them.

I don't think JetU would really leave a black mark on your record like going to GIA or GoJets or FreedomA would, but don't for one minute think that just because YOU didn't know about something before you got here doesn't mean that other people don't. It gets pretty boring sitting in a cockpit 7 hours a day. People talk an awful lot.
 
BobDDuck said:
Says the Instrument student to the 757 captain...:)

WAY more people then you think, especially at the regional level, are aware of what is happening below them.

I don't think JetU would really leave a black mark on your record like going to GIA or GoJets or FreedomA would, but don't for one minute think that just because YOU didn't know about something before you got here doesn't mean that other people don't. It gets pretty boring sitting in a cockpit 7 hours a day. People talk an awful lot.
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If you read my post, I spoke exclusively about what I had heard - from folks in the business - people who were FOs and wanted the captain to reject a GIA jumpseater, but had to explain why. I've heard numerous, experienced pilots on another message board say that no one cares beyond these message boards. Based on the fact that plenty of GIA grads are flying for the majors now, I have my doubts.

Like I said, just what I hear.
 
I think a lot of pilots, particularly those who frequent the message boards, might have a thing against Gulfstream or the like. But honestly, we had a guy in my new hire class from Gulfstream, got through training with no problem and nobody ever said a word to him about it.

Disclaimer - I in no way support Gulfstream or JetU. Just stating my observation. :)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Hey people, few things.

Max, it is scary how well you know me, or rather, how well you remember things about me! LOL!

But, Lewis is right. I am not in attendance at Jet U, but I did research them.




I would recommend he go to a college/university institution and get a degree in something he likes.

Jet U is not a university. It's a 12-13 week CRJ course designed as a Pinnacle pilot mill.





No it is not. If you hang around APC and FI long enough, you will see and hear of pilots that have come from Gulfstream and GoJets, and hired onto Continental, UPS, etc.

FlyChicaga posted a while ago about a 25 yr old Gulfstream Academy graduate flying the B1900 that was hired at Continental... 757/767 out of EWR at the age of 25. How'd he get hired at Continental from Gulfstream? He knew people. I think his father was an Assistant Chief Pilot with Continental.

What I'm saying is that in business, majors won't care you went to Jet U. All they'll see is what's on your resume, and that's Pinnacle Airlines.

Jet U is no different than the AllATPS CRJ course, it's longer and more expensive. But in both cases, you can get hired at regionals with bare bone minimums.

Gulfstream Academy is the 'bad' one, in the sense that you pay to occupy the right seat of a B1900 for 250 hours.

That's what I would not recommend.

But Jet U, AllATPs will not be a black mark on your career. These two places do not buy you a job. It is merely a CRJ course at the end of which you can interview with regionals.

At Jet U and AllATPs, in no way are you paying to sit in the right seat of an airplane (like Gulfstream).

It's just CRJ training for those who want it (and for those who can afford it). So, it won't be a black mark on your career if you go to Jet U or AllATPs.


It's all about *who* you know. That's why even Gulfstream Academy grads have gotten on with legacy majors.
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Well, definitely not stalking you over the internet. I just have a rather good long term memory, however my short term or "selective memory" as some have called it is very poor. That and these type of topics are of a cyclial nature on message boards, and it isn't JC exlusive.

That being said it really sounds like you have done your research and instead of the infamous MAPD/PACE arguement you're now rationalizing JetU.

I never said that you were currently attending JetU, just that you were seriously looking into it. Also, rationaling a decsion based upon a known Continental scab having ties to GIA (who'd have thunk it) and his son (read:son of a scab) getting preferential hiring at Continental doesn't really speak of hard work or skill. That's like fishing for goldfish in your brother/sisters fishbowl and cheering wildly when you get a tug on your line!

You really seem to favor programs of this nature, whether the name on the building is MAPD/PACE or JETU. I know that you got your degree from University of Michigan, I just always assumed that one had to be smart to be an engineer...
 
Murdoughnut said:
I just think people aren't aware of it - that's all. I mean, I really didn't think it was all that bad of a thing until I came onto these message boards.
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As an FO for an airline that hires guys from these programs....trust me. People know about it and they DO care. Ask any of our CAs what they think of the JetU guys, and get ready for an ear full. I actually witnessed one CA deny a JS to a GoJets guy and tell him exactly WHY he wasn't getting a ride home.
 
"But honestly, we had a guy in my new hire class from Gulfstream....and nobody ever said a word to him about it"

Well, maybe you should. I know I would. The one I know of at UPS said she was a street Capt, which is fine. Even if the person entered the industry via Gulfstream, it's not like I'd spit on them or anything. I'd ask them their point of view, explain themselves, I'd give them my point of view, we'd go back and forth, and then end up doing our jobs as professional aviators.

I think it's a crappy way to enter the industry, but that's just me.

I hear Murdoughnut saying he didn't hear much about the ill's of the Gulfstream be-an-airline-pilot scheme until he came here. Does that really surprise anyone? They got a heck of a cool website. Ground school cam. And even that Kingaire guy uses Gulfstream F/O's for his Avtar. Sounds pretty cool to the uninitiated....
 
DE727UPS said:
"But honestly, we had a guy in my new hire class from Gulfstream....and nobody ever said a word to him about it"

Well, maybe you should. I know I would. The one I know of at UPS said she was a street Capt, which is fine. Even if the person entered the industry via Gulfstream, it's not like I'd spit on them or anything. I'd ask them their point of view, explain themselves, I'd give them my point of view, we'd go back and forth, and then end up doing our jobs as professional aviators.

I think it's a crappy way to enter the industry, but that's just me.

I hear Murdoughnut saying he didn't hear much about the ill's of the Gulfstream be-an-airline-pilot scheme until he came here. Does that really surprise anyone? They got a heck of a cool website. Ground school cam. And even that Kingaire guy uses Gulfstream F/O's for his Avtar. Sounds pretty cool to the uninitiated....
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The kingairer thing is what one would call a "mockumentary" of GIA. Not at all to be taken seriously!
 
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