Jeppesen vs NACO (FAA) Charts

elmetal

elmetal

Ain't nobody got time for that
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nah I'm just messing. This isn't a thread asking which is better. This is simply meant to be an informational thread.

I am currently using FAA charts, but after looking at some Jepp charts from some fellow pilots, I might be switching.

The question is: What is what in Jepp world???????????????

http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/Jeppesen-Charts/

that's crazy!

for FAA I use:
Approach Plates
Low Enroute IFR
AFD


What in the world would I get for Jepp (exclude the VFR Sectional, I found that one)??

I know J-AID is like a FAR/AIM + AFD is that correct? Is there a way to just get a AFD by Jepp and the plates/lowenroute?

Which option is it? I feel like for just low enroute and plates for 12 months it's pretty ridic to be 200 dollars, that can't be right, it has to be a lot more stuff.

so basically I want: SIDs, STARs, Aproaches, Low Enroute, and if possible the Airport directory, if not I can handle the green one. What do I get by Jepp?
 
I know tons of pilots who use both. As a pilot still in training, I use NACO all the way. They are just cheaper....waaaaaaaaaaay cheaper. And who wants to sort through plates to replace them when a new one comes out?
 
If you're buying your own, it's hard to beat the simplicity and price of NACO.

Like Jepp better, but I think it's only practical if you're buying in bulk.
 
Yea, that is what they cost. I honestly prefer the NACO (or NAS as we used to call them).

I like the way jepp punches the holes, and where they put the ODPs. But with my own money, the NACOs are fine. And no chart revisions! (the change notices are soo much easier!)
 
So what package do I buy for approach plates and ifr enroute?

That's the main problem. I don't know what in FAA charts translates to jepp charts. It seems like it's a package or something and I can't get it separately.

Plates and enroute. Dammit jeppesen how hard can you make it!
I don't need area charts or high alt or anything military. Just plates and low enroute

naco wins because of simplicity and actually telling me whT I get!
 
I switched back and forth as a student. As an instructor, I just used NACO. Cheap and easy. I like Jepp better. We use LIDO at Pinnacle, and I'm not a huge fan. They like to hide things like expected speed restrictions on an arrival (it's next to the fix, but it's in small, unbolded print and blends in with things like GPS coordiantes of the fix), and to brief a departure procedure you need to flip to two or three different pages. Jepp (and NACO), it's all right there for you. Briefing an approach on either Jepp or NACO is a breeze, but with LIDO you're jumping all over the chart since it's not very user friendly. For GA, LIDO is useless. They don't even put Cat A or B approach mins on their charts.

Now, in the NACO to Jepp translation, I'll try to break it down: For Florida, NACO has one book. Jepp has one subscription, and that covers all your IAP. The en routes tend to be about the same, but their divided differently. Basically, you have to look at what sections of the country you're looking for, find the master map that breaks it down, and buy what ever codes you'd need. I think I was buying two low enroutes for Florida each time. If memory serves me right, NACO charts tend to have more area included on them while Jepp charts have more details.
 
I use the NACO charts for their economy and simplicity(throw away the big book every 56 days, consult the little book every 28 days)....No complaints here, then again, I've never used a Jepp chart.
 
Used NOS/NACO for training and my first 91 and 135 cargo job. Was issued Jepps for my second 135 cargo job. Have used NACO/FLIP my entire mil career and even now post-mil. Each have their plusses and minuses but I lean towards NACO heavily, as I'm just more used to it.
 
I really like the format and layout of both the Jeppesen IAPs and En-Route charts. I think the information is well placed and less cluttered than NACO. However, I haven't used Jeppesen products in several years and am quite satisfied with NACO. It's less expensive than a Jeppesen subscription.

Oh, and have you ever gotten lazy and fallen behind in updating your Jepp IAP revisions? Ripping open that massive stack of Jeppesen envelopes, pulling out each IAP revision and placing each page into the binder can be a soul-crushing affair.
 
elmetal said:
So what package do I buy for approach plates and ifr enroute?

That's the main problem. I don't know what in FAA charts translates to jepp charts. It seems like it's a package or something and I can't get it separately.

Plates and enroute. Dammit jeppesen how hard can you make it!
I don't need area charts or high alt or anything military. Just plates and low enroute

naco wins because of simplicity and actually telling me whT I get!
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Jepp will have a package that's (Your area) Express, and when you subscribe it will come with low enroutes for the entire country. At least that's how it worked the last time I bought them.
 
After using Jeppesen for so long I might get used to using the NACO plates for approaches. It is the SIDs and Stars that I think Jeppesen is better. Jeppesen has all the information right there, no looking for another page or somewhere else on the page.
 

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After using Jeppesen for so long I might get used to using the NACO plates for approaches. It is the SIDs and Stars that I think Jeppesen is better. Jeppesen has all the information right there, no looking for another page or somewhere else on the page.
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And declared distances on the 10-9
 
All I've ever used is NACO. Works great lasts long time. I've LOOKED at Jepps quite a bit and do find the SIDs and STARs easier to work with.
 
kellwolf said:
Now, in the NACO to Jepp translation, I'll try to break it down: For Florida, NACO has one book. Jepp has one subscription, and that covers all your IAP. The en routes tend to be about the same, but their divided differently. Basically, you have to look at what sections of the country you're looking for, find the master map that breaks it down, and buy what ever codes you'd need. I think I was buying two low enroutes for Florida each time. If memory serves me right, NACO charts tend to have more area included on them while Jepp charts have more details.
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This is my trouble. I know which set I like and why (I like both). What I need is exactly what you said, I need to know which things to buy, because I feel that Jepp makes it more complicated for me. I wish I could just go to a website and say: I need Low enroute 21-22, and SE3 Approach plates, what does that translate into jepp charts.

So I need florida basically, but I'm not sure which package has what I want. I don't need anything VFR, I don't need high altitude, I don't need military, I don't need the FAR/AIM.

I assume the cheapest IFR package has enroute, plates, and sids/stars right? What do the more expensive packages have in addition? I can't find a good breakdown of what the package includes. all I find is : well this is good for CFIs who mainly work in a single location, and This is good for a long trip, and this is good for someone who likes to travel in a small region

Damn you Jeppesen! I'm trying to give you money, stop making it so hard!
 
Looks like the manual express has what I need.

Now my question is: Do I still need an AFD, or is it somehow included?
 
elmetal said:
Looks like the manual express has what I need.

Now my question is: Do I still need an AFD, or is it somehow included?
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I got the express for OK, AR, and LA not too long ago. It comes with all the SIDS, STARS, IAPS, and the low enroutes for this area. I haven't been able to use it very many times, but it does seem like it offers more information than the other format. I like it a lot more because the charts are hole punched and that's easier to clip to a yoke mount than the NACO book. I haven't noticed an AFD "yet" (there's a lot of info in there), but it did come with a huge section for understanding their chart format. Hope that helps a little.
 
pntbllr233 said:
I got the express for OK, AR, and LA not too long ago. It comes with all the SIDS, STARS, IAPS, and the low enroutes for this area. I haven't been able to use it very many times, but it does seem like it offers more information than the other format. I like it a lot more because the charts are hole punched and that's easier to clip to a yoke mount than the NACO book. I haven't noticed an AFD "yet" (there's a lot of info in there), but it did come with a huge section for understanding their chart format. Hope that helps a little.
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that helps a heck of a lot! THanks!!

so express it is. I will be getting the florida one when my current charts expire.

Also I think the J-AID comes with the "afd". It's FAR/AIM + AFD all in one if I'm not mistaken
 
I got weepy looking at that Glen Rose 9 arrival. God, I miss Jepps. The LIDO STAR for that has all the info like "jets landing North" in small print, where as Jepp has big, bold and boxed. As for the SIDs on LIDO, all that cool info at the top (including expected departure altitudes and in some cases dep frequencies) is easier found a completely different page than the visual representation of the departure. It's actually easier to brief off the separate 5-10 TEXT page than it is to brief off the 4-10 graphic page of the SID.
 
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