It's official: flow to UAL

guywhoflies said:
All I'm saying is you could go to a regional and then end up at UAL. No interview required, just 8 freaking years at the regional! :)
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8 yrs. yeah, I wouldn't do all of that. These programs are just meant to staff the regionals. But good to join them and have them in your back pocket. If It took too long I'd quickly dip out to the newly combined Frontier/Spirit.

I was actually really giving this program a hard look because of AVIATE, think this just pushed me over.

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I thought it was 1% to 2% flowing a month, so worst case 8 years and change to best case 4 years or off the street earlier to some other airline. 4 years isn't that long. How long does it normally take to go from never flown for an airline to 1000 pic captain?
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
Ha! I guess my love for all things UAL is well known here. Thx for the tag.
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@Maximilian_Jenius you cheating on Delta? I'd hate to be you if she finds out!

A pilot once told me never cheat on a Georgia girl.
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No offense to anyone here. I love Delta, always have. But in talking to UA pilots, I just think that UA is a better fit for my personality, so its my #1. If I applied and Delta called, yeah I'd go in a hot minute. Realistically though at my rather advanced age. Even UA might be a pipe dream. LCC/ULCC's respective to my age probably offer greater, read faster career advancement than a legacy. So I'm definitely interested in what happens with the Frontier/Spirit merger. I'm not counting anything out. I guess that we'll see what we can see. It's super, super early at this juncture in my future career to be speculating. I'm not wishing on a prayer, or putting all my eggs in one basket. Right now the goal is to either finish my instructor ratings, or to find a low-time building job and go from there. But if someone's asking those two options mentioned are probably the direction I'm heading. But we'll see what we see. When we see it.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
No offense to anyone here. I love Delta, always have. But in talking to UA pilots, I just think that UA is a better fit for my personality, so its my #1. If I applied and Delta called, yeah I'd go in a hot minute. Realistically though at my rather advanced age. Even UA might be a pipe dream. LCC/ULCC's respective to my age probably offer greater, read faster career advancement than a legacy. So I'm definitely interested in what happens with the Frontier/Spirit merger. I'm not counting anything out. I guess that we'll see what we can see. It's super, super early at this juncture in my future career to be speculating. I'm not wishing on a prayer, or putting all my eggs in one basket. Right now the goal is to either finish my instructor ratings, or to find a low-time building job and go from there. But if someone's asking those two options mentioned are probably the direction I'm heading. But we'll see what we see. When we see it.
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You should get interested in knocking out that CFI and building some hours.
 
jtrain609 said:
You should get interested in knocking out that CFI and building some hours.
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QUOTE: :) :rolleyes:

"It's super, super early at this juncture in my future career to be speculating."

"Right now the goal is to either finish my instructor ratings, or to find a low-time building job and go from there."

Love ya bro, but there were SO many disclaimers in that post, ahead of the type of post you wrote. They're even bolded. Cause I knew that they were coming... I said that I'm grounded/focused on today. I'm listening to Yoda and not being a Skywalker and knowing where I am today, and not daydreaming about where I want to be tomorrow. But I simply answered his question.

Mad love for ya bro! Mad love.
 
jtrain609 said:
You should get interested in knocking out that CFI and building some hours.
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Tell someone who doesn’t want to CFI to go get a CFI and teach? As a student who had one of these CFIs, who had a huge ego and clearly no interest except to make it to a regional, I suffered under him. Walked to the flight school owner and said I want a change. Now. I got an awesome CFI and that bad CFI never talked to me again. Just days later, he busted his Skywest interview.

Not saying Max is like this, but if a guy doesn’t want to CFI, let it be.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Tell someone who doesn’t want to CFI to go get a CFI and teach? As a student who had one of these CFIs, who had a huge ego and clearly no interest except to make it to a regional, I suffered under him. Walked to the flight school owner and said I want a change. Now. I got an awesome CFI and that bad CFI never talked to me again. Just days later, he busted his Skywest interview.

Not saying Max is like this, but if a guy doesn’t want to CFI, let it be.
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I'm not going to say that you have to be a CFI, but here is my advice, if you want to be an airline pilot, time to stop just dipping your toe in the water, It's time to jump in with both feet. Find a full-time pilot job. build your hrs. Get hired by a Regional 121 airline. At the risk of sounding like Kit, there has never been a hiring environment like this in the last 40 yrs.
 
Old Pete said:
I'm not going to say that you have to be a CFI, but here is my advice, if you want to be an airline pilot, time to stop just dipping your toe in the water, It's time to jump in with both feet. Find a full-time pilot job. build your hrs. Get hired by a Regional 121 airline. At the risk of sounding like Kit, there has never been a hiring environment like this in the last 40 yrs.
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I'll enter with some possibly controversial opinions. @JordanD said in a post recently that when kids come up to him in the airport and ask him how to become a pilot. He has no answer because everything he could give them is outdated info in the current environment. And like Harrison Ford said in The Force Awakens. "It's true. All of it!"

Hourly rates for an older 172, Warrior, or Cherokee here in the valley range anywhere between $120-155 an hour wet. CFI is going to cost about $75 an hr. Multi for a Seneca I or II cost about $325-370 an hr. plus CFI. and you need a minimum of 25 hrs. It's about $220 an hr. for a G-1000 Cessna/Warrior. Much more expensive than when some of you were on the come up years ago. And likely to go up even further with gas prices, related to the Ukraine crisis.

As someone whose currently in the rat race to build hours to get to 1500. It's hard out there right now, it's a knife fight for hours. Unless you got the scratch to pay for them out of pocket. Or have a rich family. Or you're a favored son/daughter and have connections to someone who can get you on with a 91/135 outfit. Let me tell you that yes this current environment is probably the best hiring environment in awhile. But you still need hours to be able to get over the hump, which is the problem. There a crap tonne of low timers out here also looking to find a job and build hours, for very few low time jobs. But I constantly hear pilots at a legacy, ULCC or flying G-something either in real life, or on the nets. Telling me and others like me in the current situation, that us low timers are complainers, making excuses. Or we aren't working hard enough and aren't doing enough or knocking door down enough doors. Are you even flying, bro? Or that we're lazy and need to work harder to get where we want to be. Because when they were in my same spot they did this, or that and got their job. Well that was then, and in some cases what they did back then to get their first break still works in the current market. But not really. Or I hear what essentially sounds the same as regional pilots getting told at career fairs from legacies. The much frustrating and hated, "keep doing what you're doing." But only at the low time level.

A 121 pilot here in PHX, who was at a flight school I was at a few months ago, when I was getting checked out, gave me some sagely advice. He said that the FAA can get you from 0-250 hrs no problem. But they have no organized plan to help get the current and future crop of pilots from a CSEL/CMEL to ATP. He said that its going to be the hardest thing for me to be able to get my first low time job, near impossible. But that once I do. Everything is typically up from there. Typically. I was surprised to hear that from a WN guy, because again. All I typically hear is 121 guys that're out of touch with the current congested and super competitive system to build hours and it gets super frustrating to always have to low time splain'.

I've said this before. I have about 455 tt. w/ a CMEL. I've put in like 50 or more apps to places. Crickets. I continue to put in more all the time. Competitive mins in the current competitive environment is 800-1000 tt. for a friggin' survey job. One place wants 1500 tt. Yes, mins are advertised at 500 tt. but no guarantee that you're going to get it. Well, how do you get to 750-1000 tt. to be competitive, if you can't get a job to build hours? My roommate at pilot house was 18. He's currently flying Lears. Super happy for him, but his family has money, he's from Dallas. His neighbor flies for AA, his son flies for Envoy. The dad knew someone at pipeline company that pre pandemic got him a job to build hours before the music stopped. To be able to get him 1000 tt. to fly a corporate gig. He hasn't struggled to get to 1500. His case of nepotism/networking isn't everyone's. It's been said over and over hiring is all about luck and timing. Honestly from jump trying to get into this career started, I've just had absolutely nothing but bad luck and timing. Out of training I had a survey job. Interviewed, offered job. Then COVID came and May 2020 the offer was withdrawn. Haven't been able to strike it rich again in two years. And definitely not for lack of trying HARD either.

Lastly before @ASpilot2be lectures me again about my 5 paragraph minimum. CFI'ing. So everyone knows that I live in Phoenix the flight school capital of the states. I'm currently studying for my FOI. Two guys I know went to two different flight schools. They were told in a handshake deal by management/school owners that if they did all their instructor ratings at their schools, they were guaranteed to get a CFI job. Both recently got ghosted by management without explanation and found out second hand that someone else in the clique at the school got their promised CFI job. Probably a tale as old as time. So even with a CFI it is not assured you'll have much successes and at least around here lots of the schools locally, maybe for insurance reasons don't seem too keen to hire a new CFI with no dual given. I hear that A LOT. But again... how do you get a lot of dual given, if no one is willing to give you the chance? Lol. Super frustrating. I don't let it get to me. At least I try not to. You just gotta stay positive and keep pushing forward. It's all that you can do, all that YOU can control.

So its not that we low time guys are lazy. Or that we aren't out here trying our hardest/damnest to hustle to get that first time building job. We're all super frustrated and tired of rejection, which is life. Or hearing "keep doing what you're doing." Pay your dues, or any variation. Of etc., etc. etc.

I shall now don my gay apparel of bunker gear/turnout gear and wait for the impending scorch. Lol. :)
 
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