It's Departure Leg, not Upwind Leg

haha.
I really don't care anymore if a CFI wants to teach incorrect information for whatever personal reason.
Go for it.
 
Did anybody ever think that was just a diagram, and the correct RT is actually "upwind"?

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

TRAFFIC PATTERN- The traffic flow that is prescribed for aircraft landing at, taxiing on, or taking off from an airport. The components of a typical traffic pattern are upwind leg, crosswind leg, downwind leg, base leg, and final approach.
a. Upwind Leg- A flight path parallel to the landing runway in the direction of landing.


Further, I've never been told by a tower to "extend departure leg". I've always heard "extend upwind".

It is disheartening to see instructors say "who cares?". How can we teach if we are not willing to learn?
 
Chief Captain said:
Did anybody ever think that was just a diagram, and the correct RT is actually "upwind"?

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

TRAFFIC PATTERN- The traffic flow that is prescribed for aircraft landing at, taxiing on, or taking off from an airport. The components of a typical traffic pattern are upwind leg, crosswind leg, downwind leg, base leg, and final approach.
a. Upwind Leg- A flight path parallel to the landing runway in the direction of landing.
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Douglas said:
The Upwind leg in a a reflection of the Downwind Leg.

Airport_Traffic_Pattern_with_Upwind_Leg.jpg

:tmyk:
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Chief Captain said:
Did anybody ever think that was just a diagram, and the correct RT is actually "upwind"?

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

TRAFFIC PATTERN- The traffic flow that is prescribed for aircraft landing at, taxiing on, or taking off from an airport. The components of a typical traffic pattern are upwind leg, crosswind leg, downwind leg, base leg, and final approach.
a. Upwind Leg- A flight path parallel to the landing runway in the direction of landing.


Further, I've never been told by a tower to "extend departure leg". I've always heard "extend upwind".

It is disheartening to see instructors say "who cares?". How can we teach if we are not willing to learn?
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I have yet to hear it called Dep. leg by ATC. Personally, I say what the FAA wants me to say-it should be all of our goals to promote standardization when it comes to radio communications.
 
rframe said:
Downwind, Crosswind....... UPWIND.

If I heard a chopped up stepped on transmission that includes the word "departure" I'm assuming the guy is leaving.

Dumb move FAA.
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Makes sense. I agree and think will ensure my students know the AIM description as well as what is prevalent and the one to use. Thanks.
 
How do you think all of us old guys felt when TRSAs, ARSAs and TCA's became Class ?, Class C and Class B airspace?

You know, we just got over it.
 
I made sure my students started every radio call with a big, long aaaannnnnndddd....

How else are you supposed to get everyone on the freq's attention before you announce what you're doing????

After my upwind I always turn right finals for zero-four....
 
Derg said:
How do you think all of us old guys felt when TRSAs, ARSAs and TCA's became Class ?, Class C and Class B airspace?

You know, we just got over it.
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I just figured since you file IFR all the time you just got cleared through all that crap anyway. So what's the point?:D

It brings back memories of a couple old retired airline captains I used give flight reviews to... Not instrument current, but navigates with a 3 year old low en-route, uses old jepps for airport info and a 10 year old sectional that never got unfolded and lives in the seat back pocket... God bless them.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
I just figured since you file IFR all the time you just got cleared through all that crap anyway. So what's the point?:D
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Now now, be fair to Dough.

I mean, when ATC tells you where to fly and your airplane lands itself, you need to spend a lot of time digging through the nitty gritty details of all the latest FAR/AIM changes because you have nothing better to do and would be bored, so I'm sure he know's lots about airspace.... give credit where credit is due.
 
I think the transition was just as I was getting my CFI, so it's not like I was mashing the auto land button in a Cessna 150!

How old do you people think I am? :)


Sent from my TRS-80
 
tgrayson said:
No, the departure leg is aligned with the runway; the upwind is off to one side, opposite of where the downwind leg is, but closer. It's the leg you would fly if you did a go-around.
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I disagree about the go-around part. Upwind is there if you need to fly it (i.e., in the traffic pattern). If you are doing a go-around, the safest option is to side-step and climb out on the side/direction you will be turning in the traffic pattern. Otherwise, if it so happens you are going around because some other aircraft is departing and he didn't see you landing or care that you were landing (I can cite this happening to me personally on many occasions), then there will be a potential conflict when you decide to turn crosswind. In other words, you will need to cross the Departure leg at some point if you go-around and fly the Upwind as you describe.

A real-world example of flying an Upwind leg would be standard traffic procedures for Runway 9 at KLDJ (see here http://aeronav.faa.gov/pdfs/ne_136_31MAY2012.pdf [hopefully it brings you to KLDJ]).

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