It's about time Bose...

That's too much beer money to be wasted...
I'll stick with my 300 dollar, David Clark H10-13.4s.
 
Got this e-mail today from J.A. Air Center

J.A. Air Center Introduces Bose® Series X Headset Buy Back Program

Sugar Grove, Illinois, USA - Beginning in August 2010, J.A. Air Center will buy back Bose® Series X headset in working condition direct from customers who want to trade-up to the new premium Bose® A20 headset.Purchases will be limited to orders placed directly through J.A. Air Centers Pilot shop. Current Bose® Series X owners will receive $400 for their headset in good working order. The buy back program includes portable and panel mounted versions of the Bose® X Series headset.

Additional information about the buy back program is available by calling J.A. Air Center’s Pilot Shop at 800-323-5966.

www.jaair.com
 
did a flight today in the Cessna 310 using David Clarks 13-4 (left Bose in another airplane), my ears are still ringing. Its not worth your hearing loss! Bose is by far the best! :)
 
Fly_Unity said:
did a flight today in the Cessna 310 using David Clarks 13-4 (left Bose in another airplane), my ears are still ringing. Its not worth your hearing loss! Bose is by far the best! :)
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Yea, you don't know how good the Bose are until you have to use something else.
 
I've been using the new Bose headset for 3 days now, and I don't regret spending the money at this point. The price tag is a bit of a shocker, but I rationalize it by telling myself I'm saving my hearing and they are very comfortable.

I was using some pretty rough softcomms and they weren't cutting it for 4-6 hours a day of flying.

In a PA-44-180 I have to turn the ANR off in cruise to sync them up perfect. This could be good or bad I suppose, but that's how effective they are.
 
My sister-in-law used to be a designer for Bose. She designed almost all of the QC headsets and we tried to get management to sign off on a jet headset version of the QC3. Bose did not think there would be a market for that though.

Also, and this will make all of you X owners sick, it only costs $18 to manufacture a X. The rest of the cost is marketing.
 
JoelT said:
My sister-in-law used to be a designer for Bose. She designed almost all of the QC headsets and we tried to get management to sign off on a jet headset version of the QC3. Bose did not think there would be a market for that though.

Also, and this will make all of you X owners sick, it only costs $18 to manufacture a X. The rest of the cost is marketing.[/QUOTE]


I think I just threw up a little.
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Muff3n said:
JoelT said:
My sister-in-law used to be a designer for Bose. She designed almost all of the QC headsets and we tried to get management to sign off on a jet headset version of the QC3. Bose did not think there would be a market for that though.

Also, and this will make all of you X owners sick, it only costs $18 to manufacture a X. The rest of the cost is marketing.R+D, TSO testing and compatibility, Design, Support, Assembly labor, etc.$18 inj parts is fine... tell me when you can afford to bulk order enough for parts for a 1,000 unit run. Initial tooling, run up, design are the costs... after that the repeat manufacture is cheap. I wouldn't get so tossed up about those numbers. [/QUOTE]


I think I just threw up a little.
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I Love when people comment about the cost to manufacture something... without a real understanding of what it costs to bring a tested product to market... It can be pretty funny.


Here is another one for you, lots of people like to shoot... most know what a red dot sight is. Unit cost on a mil spec one at a shop floor is usually 4-800 for a nice one. Guess what the total part cost is?$7-8 bucks... next time you buy yourself a docop, or eotec you might just want to "throw up a little" That car you're driving? guess how much the parts cost for that?

I've actually sourced and built a headset for my self... never quite worked out, and I haven't had the time to fiddle with it... my problems being the opamp driving the anr circuit doesn't have a high enough cycle rate to cancel out the full frequency range that I want... I dumped prob. $300 into the project so far. I can assure you that you don't want to just go buy the parts and put it together yourself.

All being fair, I had the Bose X for A long time, and loved them. I tried the zulu's.. and kinda had a "ehh" feeling about them. I ended up with the UflyMike and QC2, and have found that to be the best for me, commuting and flying. to each their own.
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had to wear a DC again a few days ago for a short trip, really makes me appreciate the Bose and my hearing.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Muff3n said:
I Love when people comment about the cost to manufacture something... without a real understanding of what it costs to bring a tested product to market... It can be pretty funny.


Here is another one for you, lots of people like to shoot... most know what a red dot sight is. Unit cost on a mil spec one at a shop floor is usually 4-800 for a nice one. Guess what the total part cost is?$7-8 bucks... next time you buy yourself a docop, or eotec you might just want to "throw up a little" That car you're driving? guess how much the parts cost for that?

I've actually sourced and built a headset for my self... never quite worked out, and I haven't had the time to fiddle with it... my problems being the opamp driving the anr circuit doesn't have a high enough cycle rate to cancel out the full frequency range that I want... I dumped prob. $300 into the project so far. I can assure you that you don't want to just go buy the parts and put it together yourself.

All being fair, I had the Bose X for A long time, and loved them. I tried the zulu's.. and kinda had a "ehh" feeling about them. I ended up with the UflyMike and QC2, and have found that to be the best for me, commuting and flying. to each their own.
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Yes and no in this case. Were there R&D costs associated with the device? Certainly. Has the company LONG since amortized those costs? Absolutely. At this point, their profit margin is obscene.

If I can make any parallel to the X based on Bose's consumer audio products,
the cost to produce a Zulu or Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic headset is far greater than the X, which is another reason why I refuse to ever give Bose a dime of my money.

Now, getting back on point- Nowhere is technological obsolescence more prevalent than in the computer industry. Intel spends a ton of money developing the next computer chip, brings it to market for $1000, knowing full well the early adopters will pay that price. 6 months later, the cost has dropped to $500. One year later, the same chip is now $300, while the new chip that just came out is priced at $1000 again. Intel can do this, because their R&D costs were covered during the initial run of the chips at the higher price point. The actual cost to produce the chip is under $100. So, even at the tail end of the chip's life, it is still producing profit for the company.

Given that the X has been around for roughly a decade, its price should have dropped YEARS ago as the R&D costs were paid for eons ago. The price never dropped since they know the industry will support it.

This healthy profit margin is also why Lightspeed can "afford" to buy back your older headset, at full retail value, during a trade on a Zulu.
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Rizer said:
Got this e-mail today from J.A. Air Center

J.A. Air Center Introduces Bose® Series X Headset Buy Back Program

Current Bose® Series X owners will receive $400 for their headset in good working order. The buy back program includes portable and panel mounted versions of the Bose® X Series headset.


www.jaair.com
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Wow, what a rip off. You can get much more selling it on Ebay or even Craigslist. Which is probably what these guys are going to do.

I'm looking at buying the new A20 but I'd gladly go with a set of gently used X for $400...who wouldn't?
 
Given that the X has been around for roughly a decade, its price should have dropped YEARS ago as the R&D costs were paid for eons ago. The price never dropped since they know the industry will support it.
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Evil corporations MAAAAAAANNNNNN....monopolizing and price gouging MAAAAAAANNNNNN....:laff:

Seriously though you said it....market drives the cost. If enough people are willing to pay what Bose charges, why should they lower the cost? If you built some gizmo for $18 and had people lining up around the block to pay you $1000 for it, would you lower your price?
 
Bose QC2 or QC15 and the u-flymike and you have a great Bose headset for a fraction of the price and they are more comfortable than the X. Plus you can use them in the back while deadheading by just taking the mike off.
 
Patrick said:
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Yes and no in this case. Were there R&D costs associated with the device? Certainly. Has the company LONG since amortized those costs? Absolutely. At this point, their profit margin is obscene.

If I can make any parallel to the X based on Bose's consumer audio products,
the cost to produce a Zulu or Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic headset is far greater than the X, which is another reason why I refuse to ever give Bose a dime of my money.

Now, getting back on point- Nowhere is technological obsolescence more prevalent than in the computer industry. Intel spends a ton of money developing the next computer chip, brings it to market for $1000, knowing full well the early adopters will pay that price. 6 months later, the cost has dropped to $500. One year later, the same chip is now $300, while the new chip that just came out is priced at $1000 again. Intel can do this, because their R&D costs were covered during the initial run of the chips at the higher price point. The actual cost to produce the chip is under $100. So, even at the tail end of the chip's life, it is still producing profit for the company.

Given that the X has been around for roughly a decade, its price should have dropped YEARS ago as the R&D costs were paid for eons ago. The price never dropped since they know the industry will support it.

This healthy profit margin is also why Lightspeed can "afford" to buy back your older headset, at full retail value, during a trade on a Zulu.
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Some people dont really care what the price is as long as they get a good headset, Im one of them guys. Im not gonna tear Bose apart when they are the ones that dramatically made my life better. My days of ringing ears and headaches are over.
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