Is the FAA ATPL - ICAO certified?
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xdashdriver
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No such thing as an ICAO certified ATP. The US is an ICAO contracting state. As a result, FAA issued certificates are in compliance with ICAO guidelines and regulations.
Ray
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Snow
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Well a 'ICAO certified ATP' is a hiring requirement for Cathy Pacific. I heard from a JAA person that FAA certificates didn't comply with ICAO standards and hence weren't reconised without aditional training in europe. Crew resource training for example is required there but not here. *shrugs*
joycer_01
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The United States is a "contracting state" of ICAO - along with Australia, Canada, and the UK etc. ( http://www.icao.org/cgi/goto_m.pl?/cgi/statesDB4.pl?en ).
When CX says they require a ICAO certified ATPL, it means an ATPL from a contracting state of the ICAO.
This is the way I understand it to be from what people have explained to me. Hope this helps
When CX says they require a ICAO certified ATPL, it means an ATPL from a contracting state of the ICAO.
This is the way I understand it to be from what people have explained to me. Hope this helps
xdashdriver
Well-Known Member
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Well a 'ICAO certified ATP' is a hiring requirement for Cathy Pacific. I heard from a JAA person that FAA certificates didn't comply with ICAO standards and hence weren't reconised without aditional training in europe. Crew resource training for example is required there but not here. *shrugs*
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Your JAA person has no idea what they're talking about. There are some FAA certificates that are not ICAO-compliant. They would be the new Sport Pilot certificate, the Recreational Pilot Certificate and an ATP certificate when the holder does not meet the ICAO experience requirements. All of these certificates will have a restriction placed on them that says they do not meet ICAO standards.
ICAO contracting states have the authority to place whatever training and/or checking requirements they want on people who hold foreign pilot licenses / certificates, whether or not those foreign licenses and certificates are ICAO-compliant.
With the exception of Private, The FAA requires all JAA license holders to undergo all written tests and practical tests to get their FAA certificates.
You'll usually find it reasonably straight forward to get a Private in most ICAO contracting countries on the basis of your FAA private and vice versa. As soon as you move up from there, it becomes exponentially harder to "convert" things, mostly due to job protectionism.
I think you'll find that Cathay Pacific can get your ICAO-compliant certificate (whether it is issued by FAA/JAA/CASA etc.) endorsed by the HK government so as you can can fly HK-registered aircraft without further formality or need to get a HK license (if there even IS such a thing). That's the way I understand it has happened in the past.
I know that prior to JAA, Cargolux was able to get an FAA ATP endorsed by the Luxembourg government (there was no such thing as a Lux. ATP) so that US pilots could fly for Cargolux without getting a new license. The endorsements usually restrict the license holder to flying for one particular company (again, job protectionism)
Ray
Well a 'ICAO certified ATP' is a hiring requirement for Cathy Pacific. I heard from a JAA person that FAA certificates didn't comply with ICAO standards and hence weren't reconised without aditional training in europe. Crew resource training for example is required there but not here. *shrugs*
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Your JAA person has no idea what they're talking about. There are some FAA certificates that are not ICAO-compliant. They would be the new Sport Pilot certificate, the Recreational Pilot Certificate and an ATP certificate when the holder does not meet the ICAO experience requirements. All of these certificates will have a restriction placed on them that says they do not meet ICAO standards.
ICAO contracting states have the authority to place whatever training and/or checking requirements they want on people who hold foreign pilot licenses / certificates, whether or not those foreign licenses and certificates are ICAO-compliant.
With the exception of Private, The FAA requires all JAA license holders to undergo all written tests and practical tests to get their FAA certificates.
You'll usually find it reasonably straight forward to get a Private in most ICAO contracting countries on the basis of your FAA private and vice versa. As soon as you move up from there, it becomes exponentially harder to "convert" things, mostly due to job protectionism.
I think you'll find that Cathay Pacific can get your ICAO-compliant certificate (whether it is issued by FAA/JAA/CASA etc.) endorsed by the HK government so as you can can fly HK-registered aircraft without further formality or need to get a HK license (if there even IS such a thing). That's the way I understand it has happened in the past.
I know that prior to JAA, Cargolux was able to get an FAA ATP endorsed by the Luxembourg government (there was no such thing as a Lux. ATP) so that US pilots could fly for Cargolux without getting a new license. The endorsements usually restrict the license holder to flying for one particular company (again, job protectionism)
Ray