Is PC-12 SIC Time worth anything?

This is where the reg gets gray. You will find people that tell you that the SIC is not required if the flight can be conducted without the SIC. I believe that the OpSpec simply allows you the option of to using the autopilot in lieu of the SIC if desired. It does not say that you have to.
 
That is correct, but there is no shade of gray involved. The exemption ALLOWS the company to operate without an SIC, it does not REQUIRE that they do so. Therefore any flight that the company chooses to use two pilots (i.e., does NOT choose to use the autopilot exemption), both pilots can log their time legally because they are required under 135.101.

Read 135.105 carefully and you will see that it says "may" operate without a second in command, not "shall".
 
SteveC said:
That is correct, but there is no shade of gray involved. The exemption ALLOWS the company to operate without an SIC, it does not REQUIRE that they do so. Therefore any flight that the company chooses to use two pilots (i.e., does NOT choose to use the autopilot exemption), both pilots can log their time legally because they are required under 135.101.

Read 135.105 carefully and you will see that it says "may" operate without a second in command, not "shall".
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And if you haven't read Part 1 lately, "may" is used in the permissive sense. :)
 
No, they NEED an SIC. However they are allowed to use an autopilot in lieu of SIC. They are not required to... they just can. Don't overthink it.
 
If the pay is good, or if you can get into the left seat quick... then take it. If its a 2 year upgrade or more, its not worth it, if you want to go to an airline or get into a large corporate aircraft like a Gulfstream left seat Seminole or Seneca time as PIC goes further... speaking from experience on this topic...
 
I would do it for money, experience, and future opportunity but PC-12 SIC time is pretty worthless IMO. You'd be better off with Seminole PIC time.

If airlines are your goal my opinion is that having a lot of time in your logbook that you need to defend is more trouble than it's worth. Not saying airlines are or should be your goal just forwarding an opinion from that angle.
 
There are times when Seaport is heavy, they will fly back VFR and leave the FO behind. That is your value.
 
joe.wyo said:
Quick question! I have an opportunity to fly right seat for a company in a Pilatus PC-12. I think that their 135 opp spec requires a SIC so I can log it, but is SEL SIC worth anything at all? Will any future employers value it?
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You think their specs require it or KNOW they require it. Would be a shame to sit right seat and not be able to log it because there wasn't a requirement written in black and white...
 
What about 91K operations? I'm thinking specifically PlaneSense (Alpha), which also operates PC12's with two pilots as a 91K op. Are two pilots required for all fractionals?
 
NickH said:
There are times when Seaport is heavy, they will fly back VFR and leave the FO behind. That is your value.
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That was true for Cape Air as well, but nobody really took it personally. Heck, we'd leave off the FO sometimes and fly back IFR too (assuming the autopilot was working). It led to PIC time when they could qualify for an ATP. Definite value there.

And like others have said, it's legal flight time. Nothing to defend. Lots of people with 402 SIC time flying around professionally these days.
 
Apologies for bringing up a 5 year old thread. In looking at SIC 135 time, will airlines discredit that time in the hiring process? Would making it to 1500hrs TT with say 500 of this SIC in your logbook make it harder to get on with a regional? In today's environment I wouldn't think so. But then down the road would it make it harder to get picked up by a major?
 
AA34 said:
Apologies for bringing up a 5 year old thread. In looking at SIC 135 time, will airlines discredit that time in the hiring process? Would making it to 1500hrs TT with say 500 of this SIC in your logbook make it harder to get on with a regional? In today's environment I wouldn't think so. But then down the road would it make it harder to get picked up by a major?
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Nope, I have a fair amount logged. No problem getting multiple offers from regionals.
 
Rodger Wilco said:
Quick question! I have an opportunity to fly right seat for a company in a Pilatus PC-12. I think that their 135 opp spec requires a SIC so I can log it, but is SEL SIC worth anything at all? Will any future employers value it?
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Flight time is a byproduct of employment, not a benefit. To me the question is "will this job help me develop as a professional?" I suppose if you are looking for a job flying PC-12's it does, but outside of that, I'm doubtful...

..but I'm not a pilot so take it for what it's worth
 
My sense is, today, regionals want you to be able to check the box that you have 1500 hours. That's about it.
 
I built 1000 hours sitting in the right seat of a caravan before upgrading at 135 IFR mins. Logged every single hour, and no one said anything about it at my regional interview or ATP checkride as I told them it was 135 pax carrying operations.
 
Sure, its total time. It also presumably experience working for an air carrier, which I would find more valuable than the same amount of time instructing. It shows you've passed Indoc, have flown ina multi crew environment and passed a 135 proficiency check atleast once and probably could do it again.

You're not gonna go from the PC-12 to Delta, unless you already have a lot of 121 PIC already, but sure its better than towing banners.

if you could build time twice as fast doing instructing I would do that though, so long as you feel IFR proficient.
 
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