Is it worth it?
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Mr_Creepy
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Braid - I thought you knew. I am flying a desk primarily now. I am an engineering and aviation consultant.
I stay current by doing contract flying in RJs, Check Airman for a charter company and CFI work here and there. Much more enjoyable than having to depend on it for a living.
And where is "up here?" I won't move for an engineering job. Any company that doesn't allow telecommuting isn't really an "engineering company" if you ask me.
I stay current by doing contract flying in RJs, Check Airman for a charter company and CFI work here and there. Much more enjoyable than having to depend on it for a living.
And where is "up here?" I won't move for an engineering job. Any company that doesn't allow telecommuting isn't really an "engineering company" if you ask me.
"Up here" is Maryland and I wouldnt blame you if you didnt want to move...
Ok, let's just put it this way. Some pro flyers may hate their jobs and some engineers may hate their jobs but at the end of the day it is the pilot who logs time in the logbook and the engineer who just assumes to forget about the 8 hours they waisted sitting in the cubicle.
And since flying professionaly is so boring what are you doing to make it more exciting Eagle? Perhaps you should look into something else that would make you more happy?
Ok, let's just put it this way. Some pro flyers may hate their jobs and some engineers may hate their jobs but at the end of the day it is the pilot who logs time in the logbook and the engineer who just assumes to forget about the 8 hours they waisted sitting in the cubicle.
And since flying professionaly is so boring what are you doing to make it more exciting Eagle? Perhaps you should look into something else that would make you more happy?
sbe
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And where is "up here?" I won't move for an engineering job. Any company that doesn't allow telecommuting isn't really an "engineering company" if you ask me.
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I guess my engineering firm isn't a real firm then, no telecommuting here. Of course we aren't aerospace engineering so perhaps it's an entirely different animal. I'm sure the hundreds of engineers that have been laid off by the 'big 3' firms in town wish they could say they 'wouldn't move for an engineering job.'
Perhaps the reason I seek change is a rather unusual one. I hate the windowless office too. I like being out and about, I like variety, I like travel, and I like the 8-5 I work not being the exact same 8-5 every day. For every warning I hear about getting into aviation, I have another person say that they wouldn't trade it for the world. To each his own, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences.
And where is "up here?" I won't move for an engineering job. Any company that doesn't allow telecommuting isn't really an "engineering company" if you ask me.
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I guess my engineering firm isn't a real firm then, no telecommuting here. Of course we aren't aerospace engineering so perhaps it's an entirely different animal. I'm sure the hundreds of engineers that have been laid off by the 'big 3' firms in town wish they could say they 'wouldn't move for an engineering job.'
Perhaps the reason I seek change is a rather unusual one. I hate the windowless office too. I like being out and about, I like variety, I like travel, and I like the 8-5 I work not being the exact same 8-5 every day. For every warning I hear about getting into aviation, I have another person say that they wouldn't trade it for the world. To each his own, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences.
ready2fly
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Perhaps the reason I seek change is a rather unusual one. I hate the windowless office too. I like being out and about, I like variety, I like travel, and I like the 8-5 I work not being the exact same 8-5 every day. For every warning I hear about getting into aviation, I have another person say that they wouldn't trade it for the world. To each his own, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences.
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That's the broader picture though, sbe. Seems JT and some other professional pilots have forgotten about that.
JT has reached the pinnachle of his respective career(s) it seems and feels blase' about how his career(s) have turned out. Too bad really, must suck to be him. Successful - doing what he wants - jeez, the poor guy. *roll eyes*
It's easy to sit on top and look down and say "the view sucks from up here".
Meanwhile, there are literally thousands who would give their right arm to be there.
To that I say this -and from now on this will be my response to JT and the others who seem to hate flying so much to the point that ALL they seem to do on this site is to tell others "it sucks":
If being where you are is so intolerable to you - then please - do yourself and others a favor and leave - get the hell out of the way and let someone who wants to be there - be there.
Perhaps the reason I seek change is a rather unusual one. I hate the windowless office too. I like being out and about, I like variety, I like travel, and I like the 8-5 I work not being the exact same 8-5 every day. For every warning I hear about getting into aviation, I have another person say that they wouldn't trade it for the world. To each his own, we all have different perspectives and different life experiences.
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That's the broader picture though, sbe. Seems JT and some other professional pilots have forgotten about that.
JT has reached the pinnachle of his respective career(s) it seems and feels blase' about how his career(s) have turned out. Too bad really, must suck to be him. Successful - doing what he wants - jeez, the poor guy. *roll eyes*
It's easy to sit on top and look down and say "the view sucks from up here".
Meanwhile, there are literally thousands who would give their right arm to be there.
To that I say this -and from now on this will be my response to JT and the others who seem to hate flying so much to the point that ALL they seem to do on this site is to tell others "it sucks":
If being where you are is so intolerable to you - then please - do yourself and others a favor and leave - get the hell out of the way and let someone who wants to be there - be there.
Mr_Creepy
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JT has reached the pinnachle of his respective career(s) it seems and feels blase' about how his career(s) have turned out. Too bad really, must suck to be him. Successful - doing what he wants - jeez, the poor guy. *roll eyes*
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It definitely doesn't "suck" to be me
I love my present situation! Looking back, I don't regret going in to aviation but I wish I had known beforehand that it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. I had warnings, too, and like all of you, I totally disregarded them.
I could have gotten to where I am about 10 years sooner if I hadn't messed with "a career in aviation."
I guess I'll be sitting on the sidelines saying "I told you so" when you have 8000 hrs and you are bored. Tragic, really.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES!!!
If you are going to do it anyway, then at least make sure you are fully informed. It isn't all fun and games! It gets to be another job, just like a desk job. There are disadvantages. If you want to raise a family, please don't think it will be easy to do from a cockpit.
JT has reached the pinnachle of his respective career(s) it seems and feels blase' about how his career(s) have turned out. Too bad really, must suck to be him. Successful - doing what he wants - jeez, the poor guy. *roll eyes*
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It definitely doesn't "suck" to be me
I love my present situation! Looking back, I don't regret going in to aviation but I wish I had known beforehand that it wasn't as good as I thought it would be. I had warnings, too, and like all of you, I totally disregarded them.
I could have gotten to where I am about 10 years sooner if I hadn't messed with "a career in aviation."
I guess I'll be sitting on the sidelines saying "I told you so" when you have 8000 hrs and you are bored. Tragic, really.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES!!!
If you are going to do it anyway, then at least make sure you are fully informed. It isn't all fun and games! It gets to be another job, just like a desk job. There are disadvantages. If you want to raise a family, please don't think it will be easy to do from a cockpit.
ready2fly
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John, as I've said in other threads, we DO listen to what you have to say, but when what you have to say sounds like "DON'T DO IT" then, yes, you're going to get some opposition.
We get the point that being an airline pilot is NOT all glitz and glamour.
Yet we still want to do it.
We get the point that we will be spending a LOT of time away from home in hotels eating crappy food.
Yet we still want to do it.
We get the point that flying all day every day gets boring - I'd wager to say that doing ANYTHING all day every day gets boring after while. Hell porn stars get sick of sex....
... But we STILL WANT TO DO IT!!
That's what YOU don't seem to be getting into your head.
We hear you. We believe you. We will take what you say and TRY to learn from it in out own experiences, but at some point you have to say "okay, I've done my job, now let them find out for themselves."
Capice?
I mean no ill will or disrespect, but the "it sucks" song and dance is getting a LITTLE old as that is ALL we have been hearing for the past couple of years. As we "wannabe's" see it - that's easy for you to say.
Now it's our turn.
Like sbe pointed out, however, for every one of "you" (you being disgruntled pilots), I've met three others who wouldn't change a thing.
Just trying to break rocks with a wiffle ball bat....
R2F
We get the point that being an airline pilot is NOT all glitz and glamour.
Yet we still want to do it.
We get the point that we will be spending a LOT of time away from home in hotels eating crappy food.
Yet we still want to do it.
We get the point that flying all day every day gets boring - I'd wager to say that doing ANYTHING all day every day gets boring after while. Hell porn stars get sick of sex....
... But we STILL WANT TO DO IT!!
That's what YOU don't seem to be getting into your head.
We hear you. We believe you. We will take what you say and TRY to learn from it in out own experiences, but at some point you have to say "okay, I've done my job, now let them find out for themselves."
Capice?
I mean no ill will or disrespect, but the "it sucks" song and dance is getting a LITTLE old as that is ALL we have been hearing for the past couple of years. As we "wannabe's" see it - that's easy for you to say.
Now it's our turn.
Like sbe pointed out, however, for every one of "you" (you being disgruntled pilots), I've met three others who wouldn't change a thing.
Just trying to break rocks with a wiffle ball bat....
R2F
sbe
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I know what I'm getting into. And I know what difficulties lie ahead.
I know I don't want to do this for the 'glamour', the 'glamour' of walking through a terminal while passengers gaze at me with admiration. The glamour of seeing the world. The ability to work little hours with tons of pay.
I know that stuff doesn't exist.
I know I won't wake up tomorrow and *poof* have 1500hrs and every regional carrier banging my door down wanting a piece of this supahpilot.
Pipe dreams, all of it.
But some silly boneheaded, hardheaded, won't-listen-to-anyone part of me keeps pressing on relentlessly. My family has that reputation anyways, you know.
I grew up wanting to do this. In fact, I grew up wanting to be a TWA pilot, just like my great grandfather was back when the airline flew DC-2s. Crap happens, though, and TWA disappeared and I found myself in a windowless office.
I've been told "don't do it." You're not the first one I've heard. But as said in my earlier post, for everyone that says "no way" there's another saying "I love it." The guy who finally persuaded me to start flying, his hangarmate is an AA captain. Loves what he does. Is close to retirement and dreading it. What does he do when he's not flying the line? Flying his 310, or his Eagle, or rebuilding his Cub.
I come from the horse industry. I see this there, too. Trainers who ride horses and sell them and make good money doing it but hate it. They don't hate the horses, they hate the crazy clients they have to deal with, the long hours (in unairconditioned or unheated barns). But they keep doing it and bitch about it constantly. In this scenario, the poor horses lose in the end. But there's the other ones, the ones who love spending every waking moment in a barn, the ones who haul 30 horses off to a show and work 16 hour days for a week and come home and fill out entry forms to go do it again.
I already work like a dog to be able to fly. It's already not an easy road for me. I'm still in my 20s and work in a very average-paying field. I work 8 hours a day, plus train now 3 horses in the evenings and have 4 regular riding students. I do freelance web and print design work, AND do commissioned oil paintings. 6 hours of sleep is a good night for me. All to be able to go up with my CFI and finish up that instrument rating.
I know the field isn't glamorous. I'm not expecting to be a United 777 captain someday. I'm not expecting to make major bucks. And I'm not expecting the road to wherever I end up to be anything less than an unimproved trail through the mountains.
But there's something about my bullheadedness, my determination, that makes me trudge ahead. There's something I see in this field that makes me move forward. With caution, with tons of research, but forward. You won't see me giving up my current job for a good long while - I know I can't survive on a CFI's earnings. I'll be teaching on the side, evaluating, researching more. I love to teach and know that if nothing else, I'll have a blast doing that.
But all these years, something kept pulling me to aviation. I can't just ignore that because a few people said "don't do it."
Right now of course I can't imagine ending up bored - but can any pilot at my stage of the game?
We're all a bunch of starry-eyed 'kids' in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps yes I will end up bored. But at least I'll be bored in a place other than an office without windows...
FWIW.
Sarah
I know I don't want to do this for the 'glamour', the 'glamour' of walking through a terminal while passengers gaze at me with admiration. The glamour of seeing the world. The ability to work little hours with tons of pay.
I know that stuff doesn't exist.
I know I won't wake up tomorrow and *poof* have 1500hrs and every regional carrier banging my door down wanting a piece of this supahpilot.
Pipe dreams, all of it.
But some silly boneheaded, hardheaded, won't-listen-to-anyone part of me keeps pressing on relentlessly. My family has that reputation anyways, you know.
I grew up wanting to do this. In fact, I grew up wanting to be a TWA pilot, just like my great grandfather was back when the airline flew DC-2s. Crap happens, though, and TWA disappeared and I found myself in a windowless office.
I've been told "don't do it." You're not the first one I've heard. But as said in my earlier post, for everyone that says "no way" there's another saying "I love it." The guy who finally persuaded me to start flying, his hangarmate is an AA captain. Loves what he does. Is close to retirement and dreading it. What does he do when he's not flying the line? Flying his 310, or his Eagle, or rebuilding his Cub.
I come from the horse industry. I see this there, too. Trainers who ride horses and sell them and make good money doing it but hate it. They don't hate the horses, they hate the crazy clients they have to deal with, the long hours (in unairconditioned or unheated barns). But they keep doing it and bitch about it constantly. In this scenario, the poor horses lose in the end. But there's the other ones, the ones who love spending every waking moment in a barn, the ones who haul 30 horses off to a show and work 16 hour days for a week and come home and fill out entry forms to go do it again.
I already work like a dog to be able to fly. It's already not an easy road for me. I'm still in my 20s and work in a very average-paying field. I work 8 hours a day, plus train now 3 horses in the evenings and have 4 regular riding students. I do freelance web and print design work, AND do commissioned oil paintings. 6 hours of sleep is a good night for me. All to be able to go up with my CFI and finish up that instrument rating.
I know the field isn't glamorous. I'm not expecting to be a United 777 captain someday. I'm not expecting to make major bucks. And I'm not expecting the road to wherever I end up to be anything less than an unimproved trail through the mountains.
But there's something about my bullheadedness, my determination, that makes me trudge ahead. There's something I see in this field that makes me move forward. With caution, with tons of research, but forward. You won't see me giving up my current job for a good long while - I know I can't survive on a CFI's earnings. I'll be teaching on the side, evaluating, researching more. I love to teach and know that if nothing else, I'll have a blast doing that.
But all these years, something kept pulling me to aviation. I can't just ignore that because a few people said "don't do it."
Right now of course I can't imagine ending up bored - but can any pilot at my stage of the game?
FWIW.
Sarah
Yes!!! Amen to both R2F and sbe's posts!!!
Like I've said, every job field has people who hate and love their jobs. John hates flying for a living and would rather do other things. That's fine.
I have an Uncle who is a captain for United and another Uncle who is a captain for UsAir. My grandfather was a captain for Braniff. They all love their jobs and can't imagine doing anything else. I've heard your reasons for not flying pro John and they are exactly that....your reasons.
Like I've said, every job field has people who hate and love their jobs. John hates flying for a living and would rather do other things. That's fine.
I have an Uncle who is a captain for United and another Uncle who is a captain for UsAir. My grandfather was a captain for Braniff. They all love their jobs and can't imagine doing anything else. I've heard your reasons for not flying pro John and they are exactly that....your reasons.
Center_Mid
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When you prepare for a trial, you work your tail off, researching, making WAY too many copies of the same thing over and over and over and over, you spend days, nights and weekends in your office - only going home to change clothes, then back to the office.
Leading up to that, you are coontinually arguing with the opposing counsel over silly crap. Your client DEMANDS every second of your billable time be devoted to them, but then thinks it's WAY too much when you give them the bill.
Prior to trial you are CONSTANTLY in either chambers or the courtroom or on the phone arguing silly motions by both sides.
Then comes the first day - Jury selection - which sometimes takes DAYS of valuable trial time because the sides don't agree with each others choices.
Once you have "agreed" on a jury, the trial begins and that is the most boring event ANYONE could ever sit through.
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Yep, that's pretty much been my work life (which is to say, my life) for the past 3.5 years. Sure, it's not torture by any stretch, but like I said before, every job has its problems. Like flying, the realities of practicing law are often vastly different from what you learn in law school or what you see on TV. Much of the time, trials end with no clear winner. Even when you do win, appeals can drag out the case for months or years.
Some of you say flying gets boring? Great! Man, I truly hope you're right. I like boring. I'll take boring flying over blood-boiling legal conflict almost any day of the week.
The lack of control over your job conditions is the biggest issue for me, tho. Hell, pilots are skilled professionals and yet, even with a union, they allow themselves and their labor to be completely abused. For example, if the working conditions at my current firm go downhill, I can take my skills and experiences to another firm with little loss of income. Even partnership-level attorneys can do that. Pilots, no matter how skilled, are married to their company-issued seniority numbers and that is an incredible restriction on their ability to work, especially in tough times. That, above all, scares me the most, and that's why I am wondering if the career changers are optimistic about their choice.
When you prepare for a trial, you work your tail off, researching, making WAY too many copies of the same thing over and over and over and over, you spend days, nights and weekends in your office - only going home to change clothes, then back to the office.
Leading up to that, you are coontinually arguing with the opposing counsel over silly crap. Your client DEMANDS every second of your billable time be devoted to them, but then thinks it's WAY too much when you give them the bill.
Prior to trial you are CONSTANTLY in either chambers or the courtroom or on the phone arguing silly motions by both sides.
Then comes the first day - Jury selection - which sometimes takes DAYS of valuable trial time because the sides don't agree with each others choices.
Once you have "agreed" on a jury, the trial begins and that is the most boring event ANYONE could ever sit through.
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Yep, that's pretty much been my work life (which is to say, my life) for the past 3.5 years. Sure, it's not torture by any stretch, but like I said before, every job has its problems. Like flying, the realities of practicing law are often vastly different from what you learn in law school or what you see on TV. Much of the time, trials end with no clear winner. Even when you do win, appeals can drag out the case for months or years.
Some of you say flying gets boring? Great! Man, I truly hope you're right. I like boring. I'll take boring flying over blood-boiling legal conflict almost any day of the week.
The lack of control over your job conditions is the biggest issue for me, tho. Hell, pilots are skilled professionals and yet, even with a union, they allow themselves and their labor to be completely abused. For example, if the working conditions at my current firm go downhill, I can take my skills and experiences to another firm with little loss of income. Even partnership-level attorneys can do that. Pilots, no matter how skilled, are married to their company-issued seniority numbers and that is an incredible restriction on their ability to work, especially in tough times. That, above all, scares me the most, and that's why I am wondering if the career changers are optimistic about their choice.
Needle6 I think you brought up the biggest downfall of being a pro pilot. Yes, it is true that pilots have no control over their company and that is one aspect that worries me. However, every job has it's downfalls. I think the positive aspects of pro flying outweigh the negative.
Perhaps we could have SkyWChris or another pro pilot who is happy with their career chime in here and tell us more of the postive aspects of pro flying.
Perhaps we could have SkyWChris or another pro pilot who is happy with their career chime in here and tell us more of the postive aspects of pro flying.
John,
I have a question for you. In a past thread you asked SkyWChris what equipment he was flying and if he had upgraded at SkyWest. He replied that he was a captain on RJ to which you replied "that is a lot of fun."
So, would a captain for SkyWest be a bad boring job? Sounds like you thought it was a good gig. Please elaborate...
I have a question for you. In a past thread you asked SkyWChris what equipment he was flying and if he had upgraded at SkyWest. He replied that he was a captain on RJ to which you replied "that is a lot of fun."
So, would a captain for SkyWest be a bad boring job? Sounds like you thought it was a good gig. Please elaborate...
Mr_Creepy
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OK a couple of things. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's Eagle's job.
I never said "I Hate My Job" !!!!!!!
For the record, I said everything all of you are saying to the naysayers when I was low time. We just didn't have internet msg boards then. We communicated using two paper cups and wire. ok kidding.
I am just trying to make sure you know what you are getting in to. As Matt Foley says, "You make think you are going to go out there and grab the world by the tail, wrap it around and jam it in to your pocket!"
Well I'm here to tell you that on regional/commuter pilot wages, you'll be living on "a steady diet of government cheese" and/or credit cards. You will amass considerable debt before you reach a position where you can start paying it off. Took me 5 years to start reducing the credit cards. Took a year and a half after RJ Captain Upgrade to pay them off!
Notice I didn't say you aren't going to amount to "Jack Squat!"
If you are happy with this course of events then enjoy!
Just showing the "seamy side" of airline flying. That's ALL!
I never said "I Hate My Job" !!!!!!!
For the record, I said everything all of you are saying to the naysayers when I was low time. We just didn't have internet msg boards then. We communicated using two paper cups and wire. ok kidding.
I am just trying to make sure you know what you are getting in to. As Matt Foley says, "You make think you are going to go out there and grab the world by the tail, wrap it around and jam it in to your pocket!"
Well I'm here to tell you that on regional/commuter pilot wages, you'll be living on "a steady diet of government cheese" and/or credit cards. You will amass considerable debt before you reach a position where you can start paying it off. Took me 5 years to start reducing the credit cards. Took a year and a half after RJ Captain Upgrade to pay them off!
Notice I didn't say you aren't going to amount to "Jack Squat!"
If you are happy with this course of events then enjoy!
Just showing the "seamy side" of airline flying. That's ALL!
I'm glad we finally got that cleared up John. A lot of us regulars on jetcareers are fully aware of the low pay. I'm scared to death to quit my engineering job and fly full time. That is why I'm trying to squirrel away as much as I can these next few years so that my wife and I will be able to survive the low pay. My wife is also going for a nursing degree so that she can help supplement our income. We also don't plan on having kids for quite some time.
Anyway, thank you for forwarning us John. We are all lucky to have this website to prepare us for our careers. We look forward to hearing some positive aspects in the future.
Anyway, thank you for forwarning us John. We are all lucky to have this website to prepare us for our careers. We look forward to hearing some positive aspects in the future.
juskl
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For those of you (including me) that are current professionals in other areas and have families, mortgages and such, DO NOT QUIT your current profession. To much of a leep of faith that I am not willing to make. Plus tooooooo many pros (at all levels of aviation) told me that. Start out part timers and let that turn into something from there. Plus you put that much more into paying off debt, saving a little, and staying married (amazing how spouses seem to worry about a little bit of money to pay the bills
To those of you who are much younger and don't have the responsibilities, Leap Away........ What the heck do you have to lose???????
The first group should not give up quality of life. Sure there will be some adjustments in the future, but don't go broke for this.....
I currently make about 65K at my job. The extra 16-18 per hour doing the CFI thing will go to paying off flying debt and maybe allow for another rating or type rating. Teach about 20-40 hours a month, and I will be happy. That way I don't burn-out quick. And believe me I know what that is like. If something comes along, great..... If not, it will in the future....
Folks this economy absolutely sucks..... And aviation is going through a weird time right now. It will come back.... I am very optomistic about that, but look at the world with open eyes and study it like a business. Then make the right choice For YOU.........
But don't bash other for giving their feelings and opinions (especially to those trying to pass on wisdom). They have been there and lived it.... You have not....
By the way, for those non aviation pros ever think of police work????? Not the same every day, can be very exciting (sometimes too much) and good benefits (depending on where you work). In the Phoenix area the pay starts at around 40K and top out salaries run about 58K for officers. Promotions bring more money as does overtime, assignment pay, etc.... Plus many large agencies have aviation units and after 3 years or so of being a street cop, you can test....... Just a thought.
To those of you who are much younger and don't have the responsibilities, Leap Away........ What the heck do you have to lose???????
The first group should not give up quality of life. Sure there will be some adjustments in the future, but don't go broke for this.....
I currently make about 65K at my job. The extra 16-18 per hour doing the CFI thing will go to paying off flying debt and maybe allow for another rating or type rating. Teach about 20-40 hours a month, and I will be happy. That way I don't burn-out quick. And believe me I know what that is like. If something comes along, great..... If not, it will in the future....
Folks this economy absolutely sucks..... And aviation is going through a weird time right now. It will come back.... I am very optomistic about that, but look at the world with open eyes and study it like a business. Then make the right choice For YOU.........
But don't bash other for giving their feelings and opinions (especially to those trying to pass on wisdom). They have been there and lived it.... You have not....
By the way, for those non aviation pros ever think of police work????? Not the same every day, can be very exciting (sometimes too much) and good benefits (depending on where you work). In the Phoenix area the pay starts at around 40K and top out salaries run about 58K for officers. Promotions bring more money as does overtime, assignment pay, etc.... Plus many large agencies have aviation units and after 3 years or so of being a street cop, you can test....... Just a thought.
Mr_Creepy
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We had a saying in the music industry:
"Don't quit your day job."
It applies to aviation as well.
Hey about being a cop. I applied here in Orlando to OPD, Orand County Sheriffs and FHP as a reserve. I was told right up front that they have a quota system, and white males are not scored very high. I never got even an interview...
"Don't quit your day job."
It applies to aviation as well.
Hey about being a cop. I applied here in Orlando to OPD, Orand County Sheriffs and FHP as a reserve. I was told right up front that they have a quota system, and white males are not scored very high. I never got even an interview...
ready2fly
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That's odd, John (not saying it's not true, just odd..) because my cousin, who is white, is working for the FHP and my buddy who was working as a police officer in South Carolina, applied down here and was offered a job (also white) -
- but that might have been at a different time (5 years ago for both of them).
Have you tried again?
- but that might have been at a different time (5 years ago for both of them).
Have you tried again?
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OK a couple of things. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's Eagle's job.
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HEY!!!! I just read into your posts a little deeper than you like...grin
I am with John 99%, ( it would be 100% but I just can't bring myself to go *that* far)
I have never said I hate my job.
I have said: flying scares me (to a point), and I do not much care for the sitting around while snotliegh and bratliegh get back to the jet daddy paid for so they could go shopping at the outlets...
but
I do like being in different places on short notice. My Capt whines about getting a call at 3am for a pop-up trip, I rather enjoy it. no one on the road at that hour,
I love visiting my friends all over the us.
I love having a 3 day trip to Jackson Hole..
But rolling out of BOX to LAX with a 1hr stop in Linclon NE for gas is ... far from exciting.
but I live very well, get paid better than average, and get blocks of time off when no one else does.
OK a couple of things. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's Eagle's job.
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HEY!!!! I just read into your posts a little deeper than you like...grin
I am with John 99%, ( it would be 100% but I just can't bring myself to go *that* far)
I have never said I hate my job.
I have said: flying scares me (to a point), and I do not much care for the sitting around while snotliegh and bratliegh get back to the jet daddy paid for so they could go shopping at the outlets...
but
I do like being in different places on short notice. My Capt whines about getting a call at 3am for a pop-up trip, I rather enjoy it. no one on the road at that hour,
I love visiting my friends all over the us.
I love having a 3 day trip to Jackson Hole..
But rolling out of BOX to LAX with a 1hr stop in Linclon NE for gas is ... far from exciting.
but I live very well, get paid better than average, and get blocks of time off when no one else does.
