It is......... The "shaddup" makes you sound like you're from Jersey.
Your bro buddy did a real good job. If I remember correctly, I think it was a "The Big Lebowski"-themed new hire evaluation. I write mine to movie themes.
Is it true?
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Your bro buddy did a real good job. If I remember correctly, I think it was a "The Big Lebowski"-themed new hire evaluation. I write mine to movie themes.
99% of the job is showing up to work on time, dressed for "gym" and ready to perform.
Earlier on in my tenure as Grand Poobah, I had a copilot who I think kept 'testing' me because I don't think he felt the cockpit seating arrangement was correct, if you know what I mean.
But that's nothing I'm going to get bent out of shape about as I'm here to fly jets and not to carpet bomb your sociopathies and win your hearts and minds.
Pickup is at 0600, it's a full van (two crews) to the airport, but we're still missing the FO so we're technically already late. I step out of the van to the front desk to call his room on the house phone, no answer. Wonderful. Look around the lobby, nothing. At 0606 he comes down off the elevator and says, "Hey, I'm going to grab a Starbucks I'll be right there".
Oh really?
Seggy
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How does your place do new hire evaluations? Does each FO hand it to you to fill out and then you have to hand in? Or can you hand it back to them?
We have them here, but I think they are stupid.
Any Captain worth his paycheck will either mentor a new hire First Officer if there is an issue that needs fixing, go to Pro Standards, or if it is a proficiency concern the CPO/base LCAs would probably need/want to hear about it quickly.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Brasilia people, overwhelmingly (I can count the exceptions I encountered on one hand, three fingers, and only one of them arose to AW HELL NO levels), are good sticks and good crewmembers.
In fact (and @trafficinsight knows this story), one of them who I now count as a really good guy gave me a good critique of my sorry new hire low time ass after I sat in PSP, not flying for a few months, and I shaped up the things he told me to shape up. I'm really quite grateful to him, actually. After sitting for a month or so with only 50 hours in type, I absolutely needed that critique, and I admire that captain's professionalism and integrity in bothering to do it. It didn't feel good at the time - at all! - but I look back on it now as a very improving experience. "You do alright, but you have to fix this, this, and this." "You got it. Thanks." Pretty sore thing to have to do, and to hear, but that's how it works. It saved me, IMO, from developing some bad habits, and made me realize how much more work I had to do to be first-rate.
Incidentally, go to the airport first, show up, power on the airplane so that the flight attendants can do your thing, then get your Starbucks. (Seriously, kids.)
Seggy
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We have kids on here?
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Apparently so.
If you have an 0600 van, and at 0606 you are in the Starbucks line with everyone loaded up and fidgeting, then you don't seem like a responsible adult to me.
Seggy
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Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Troll.But are they posting on JC?
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Well most of them anyway.
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KLB
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99% of the job is showing up to work on time, dressed for "gym" and ready to perform.
Earlier on in my tenure as Grand Poobah, I had a copilot who I think kept 'testing' me because I don't think he felt the cockpit seating arrangement was correct, if you know what I mean.
But that's nothing I'm going to get bent out of shape about as I'm here to fly jets and not to carpet bomb your sociopathies and win your hearts and minds.
Pickup is at 0600, it's a full van (two crews) to the airport, but we're still missing the FO so we're technically already late. I step out of the van to the front desk to call his room on the house phone, no answer. Wonderful. Look around the lobby, nothing. At 0606 he comes down off the elevator and says, "Hey, I'm going to grab a Starbucks I'll be right there".
Oh really?
On the other end of the spectrum you have Captain Happy. We'very all worked with particular individual. You know, the guy that is a tool just to be a tool.
At my last jet job, I flew with one of those types. Day 2 of our 15 day trip was real special. We had a 2pm show in the lobby. I got stuck waiting for the elevator for minutes. 2:01 comes as was stepping out of the elevator and I get a text from him.
"Where are you?"
As I walk outside he lays into me.
"So when do you usually show for the shuttle?"
I respond "I usually show on time. But the elevator took unusually long"
He responds, "well most guys show 10 minutes prior to... I dont mean to bE a dick or anything but...."
He totally set the tone for the remaining 14 days. The smallest thing would be a problem. Around day 8 or so he was doing something in com 2 while I was working com 1. ATC cleared us direct a fix and I punched it in without verifying it with him being thar he was busy on com 2. So he fussed at me about verifying things with him before executing anything on the fms. Where as I was told to go ahead and take of it with the other guys I've flown with. I kid you not.. 10 minutes later he did the same exact thing he told me not to do. Post "execution" he says, " well after I told you not to do this, I just went and did it."
On day 12 we had an 8am show. Now that he's created so much drama over show time, I show 15 minutes prior to the hotel departure time. 8:10 comes around and he's a no show. I text him that I'm in the lobby and here he comes still in his street clothes just getting to the lobby to grab breakfast. He totally screwed up what time we were supposed to show. I told him that I'd go ahead over to the airport to get things started while he gets ready. (Honestly this was more for me to atleast have my stuff ready in plenty of time more than it was helping him out).
He was expecting me to give him grief about it. But when he went to apologize for being late, I told him "Don't worry about it. We all make mistakes."
He told me earlier in the trip that he interviewed at Southern Jets International and didn't get it. I was thinking to myself, " orley?"
Blackhawk
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I'll admit that punctuality is another of my pet peeves. Having said that, it's also part of my initial brief. 0800 van doesn't mean you show in the lobby at 0800, it means the van pulls away at 0800. At some hotels, particularly those with multiple crews it will, with or without you. An IP I had when I was an LT called in Vince Lambarty time, today I think it's called Tom Caughlin time. You show up at least 5 minutes early.
Having said that-
1. I tell FAs up front that if we are behind and they need coffee or food let me know and I will buy it. We can board without one pilot, we can't without an FA.
2. If they really need time off the airplane or need to use a real restroom, just let me know. If they're doing their job we'll take the delay and I'll discuss it with the chief FA. I have NEVER had a chief FA give me a hard time in these situations.
3. People are human. Don't expect me to be happy if you're late, but there is a right and wrong way to deal with mistakes. Heck, I made a mistake once. I thought I was wrong about something but I was actually right. So I was mistaken at thinking I was wrong.
Having said that-
1. I tell FAs up front that if we are behind and they need coffee or food let me know and I will buy it. We can board without one pilot, we can't without an FA.
2. If they really need time off the airplane or need to use a real restroom, just let me know. If they're doing their job we'll take the delay and I'll discuss it with the chief FA. I have NEVER had a chief FA give me a hard time in these situations.
3. People are human. Don't expect me to be happy if you're late, but there is a right and wrong way to deal with mistakes. Heck, I made a mistake once. I thought I was wrong about something but I was actually right. So I was mistaken at thinking I was wrong.
BEEF SUPREME
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Same thing happened to me at XO. Come down to the lobby at 6PM. Because that was the agreed upon time. And no it wasn't 6:01 or anything it was the time I was asked to show.
Captain starts telling me about how things worked when "he was in the Navy."
That was a super fun rotation. However my crew badge doesn't say US Navy on it. So I'm gonna show when you ask. Not before and not after. I don't read minds.
KLB
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Which is understandable. You briefed what you expect. This particular individual retrospectively threw one of his rules at me...rules that he did not even oblige.
The icing on the cake was that the shuttle hadn't even arrived yet. It didn't arrive for another 10 minutes. It was the fbo's shuttle.
At first I thought maybe it was just me. He actually questioned my professionalism. So I called some of the guys I had flown with prior to him. They all said that I was doing everything fine and that this particular guy had a "reputation" and had made many other's no fly list.
I recently ran into him on the ramp. I've since moved on the bigger and better things and he's still at the old company. I walked up and said hi and shook his hand. It's seems that he's the same ole same ole. He was upset at the line guys because he apparently didn't like the way they fueled his airplane or something.
KLB
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poser765
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Punctuality is one of those things...It bugs me when it really bugs people. I get it, being on time is important, nay, in a lot of ways the essence of our job. If the van time is 1800 you need to be in lobby ready to go at 1800. If you aren't? So what? We ALL make mistakes. Every one of us. If I mess up and show up late for the van once in a 4 day, don't lecture me about it... chances are i'm just as pissed at myself as you are.
The occasional slip up is not only to be acceptable, but it should also be expected. Now if someone is a habitual problem, all bets are off. In three years of flying I think I've been late for the van twice...because poop happens. If someone is late routinely, then yeah, he needs a talking to.
The occasional slip up is not only to be acceptable, but it should also be expected. Now if someone is a habitual problem, all bets are off. In three years of flying I think I've been late for the van twice...because poop happens. If someone is late routinely, then yeah, he needs a talking to.
KLB
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Who hasn't had "a call from nature" 5 minutes prior to having to go down stairs and catch the shuttle? Sometimes there are things that you just can't rush.
BEEF SUPREME
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I should also specify that we always had a rental car. There was no shuttle. To show up after 6PM would be rude. But to show early for an "early shuttle" is completely unnecessary. That being said, when I have had to meet a shuttle. It is best to be a little early. Because the van could leave without you.
When you have your own rental car it is another matter....
When you have your own rental car it is another matter....