Is it true?

We've reached the point of "peak safety" if we have to make all these bullshiat "leadership courses" and "creeds". At my current place they have this crap all color coded, "are you in green or red or yellow?". Whatever happened to common sense?
 
skyw82 said:
We've reached the point of "peak safety" if we have to make all these bullshiat "leadership courses" and "creeds". At my current place they have this crap all color coded, "are you in green or red or yellow?". Whatever happened to common sense?
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Blackhawk said:
I think those things are prohibited at most airlines.
Worst was an FO who showed up with a goatee.
Me- "I get POed at people who force me to to b a jerk. You either go shave now or we get the CP to tell you to shave. Your choice."
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It's just the way things are these days. Better not to get grey hairs about it.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Wait! Wait! Let me reproduce it for you: Now, with that said, I think this memorandum should be printed out and posted in everyone's crew room everywhere, especially paragraphs three, four, and the last one. Indeed, United should be commended for realizing their vulnerability and sounding the alarm bell loudly and publicly. It beats sweeping the problem under the rug. In different ways, large growth events are as difficult as when things are going slowly (or backward) in the industry.
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Was this the same one, this was In April? FAA Steps Up Oversight Of United Airlines, Citing Violations Of Pilot Qualifications & Scheduling Issues http://consumerist.com/2015/04/10/f...ns-of-pilot-qualifications-scheduling-issues/
 
skyw82 said:
We've reached the point of "peak safety" if we have to make all these bullshiat "leadership courses" and "creeds". At my current place they have this crap all color coded, "are you in green or red or yellow?". Whatever happened to common sense?
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tl;dr: don't hit anything, don't do nothin' stupid and the first round is on me.
 
Seggy said:
Exactly, that is CRM. Not putting a blanket restriction or telling us about a creed.
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It's there because of… US.

You, I and the rest of the cabal because the pilot profession substituted in-person mentorship with websites, social media and job fairs. I think we need to move toward a professional "guild" of sorts where we mentor people from soup to nuts. I think most of the people I've recommended or have gotten the job over the years fully understand that I will get in that ass if they're not holding up their end of the agreement.

The idea that there are people flying jets who can't come to work on time, don't understand that people are more than self-loading cargo and "Look, dick, if the boss-man says show up to work with your shoes shined, show up with your shoes shined — if they were shined during your interview, they better be shined at work."

I think it's Skywest's private personal business. Entertaining to read, yes. Creepy, for sure, but at the end of the day, all those things that the credo speaks about are things that all of us should be both practicing and preaching to the current and next generation of pilots through professionalism.

I am fully confident that the usual suspects will show up and say "I can be professional in board shorts and a greasy t-shirt" — that's cool, knock yourself out if your company and your clientele will allow for and tolerate that, but that isn't the case for a vast majority of us.

Once we can solve the easy things, like this, we can redouble our efforts toward the really important stuff in my opinion.

So, what do we do about it? I need ideas.
 
skyw82 said:
We've reached the point of "peak safety" if we have to make all these bullshiat "leadership courses" and "creeds". At my current place they have this crap all color coded, "are you in green or red or yellow?". Whatever happened to common sense?
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With that attitude, yes, its all downhill from here.

We've known for a long time that the biggest problem is human and these courses come from that knowledge.
"Common sense" is BS, and frankly I'm tired of hearing about it. Nobody here was born with the skills it takes to do what we do.

The eventual outcome is that we absolutely can and will be replaced by machines, unless we can prove unequivocally that we're better, and lately we aren't doing a very good job of that.

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GypsyPilot said:
What truly amazes me, is that somebody at a mainline carrier:

1)Even remotely cares.

2)Is so wrapped up about it, that they go out of their way to post it here.

No offense folks, but if I ever make it to the next level, I will give zero craps about anything at the regionals. Beer, good food, and mountain biking will be of utmost importance.
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Don't stop caring entirely. Help others escape.
 
Derg said:
So, what do we do about it? I need ideas.
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Ahh, yes. The age-old quandry of how to put the toothpaste back in the TOOB (!)...
Problems:
1. People don't appreciate that which comes relatively easy.
2. Some people won't follow a rule if there's no enforcement/consequence.
3. Some people think it's "Cool" not to care.
4. Some people are ignorant of history (intentionally?).

Solutions:
1. Your "mentorship" idea. Not sure how to go back to that, but it seemed ideal for everyone involved.
2. When I was hired at my current employer in 2005, every applicant who sat in front of the CP was asked "Are you aware that the hat is a required part of our uniform?" Followed by " If I hire you, will you be wearing your hat when I see you at work?" Everyone hated the hat. If I'm being honest, there were days that I really didn't want to wear the hat, but I honestly couldn't accept the possibility of seeing disappointment in my CP's eyes. I wore the hat E'ry. Damn. Day...Maybe have applicants sign a grooming standards/ uniform memo when they interview. Axe a few for lying on a signed document. Maybe the others will get in line...
3. Union "uniform goon squad"?
4. It's nearly impossible to force someone to take pride in their work. Maybe just better screening or something?

One could argue the old "Better pay, more prestige, etc" position, but that just turns into chicken-or-the-egg...
 
Seggy said:
This was sent to me this evening. The person who sent it to me said that every SkyWest FO has to memorize it. Is it true? If no memorization is required, is that in your FOM?

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Way, way back when people still read newspapers, but kids were no longer interested in hard work, my local newspaper started running an ad: "Be somebody. Be a carrier." Probably don't need to add that this was before most people had any concept of biological principles... well, at least some things haven't changed. ;)
 
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