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skyw82 said:
The Salt Lake training center always reminded me of a cult and the skywest check airmen were always their biggest supporters. They spend two and half weeks going over every bolt of the crj-200 to the point where they REQUIRE you to memorize the engine model number but then at the same time only gave you 2 or 3 sessions in the IPT. I guess learning the serial number of what bolt holds the cf34-8c5b1 engine on the pylon is more important than learning your flows properly.
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Weird. The SKW LCAs I've worked with the past few years were some of the most laid back, chill, and enjoyable I've ever flown with.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It's usually not my place to do so, but I have taken aside some of our newer guys to talk about appearance, in a "hey, I don't care, but someone might, and I don't know if anyone told you" manner. Forehead-sunglasses and earbuds aren't going to fly unless you've stripped (or covered) the bling off your shirt. These are expressly prohibited at my airline. As is...wait for it... With respect to the backpack look: at my airline, it IS expressly prohibited, and it is consequently a dumb way to get gigged. (Nobody told me is not a defense, but I don't think we spend enough time on such things.)
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The backpack is? Some check airman didn't get the memo.
 
I wonder does the ritual for passing muster when applying for "The Arnold Air Society" still involve answering the question: "How many rivets in an F-15?" :)
 
Toobdrvr said:
You can't teach "nuts and bolts" on Fifi because Airbus won't even provide that info.

"Fault" is Français for "Push".

Btw, the APU burn rate is hidden in an obscure corner of our MEL. Discovered it by "accident" once. Somewhere around <300 pph...
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It's in One of the manuals. .
 
I'm kinda confused. Airlines have had uniforms for pilots since before anyone on this board was probably born, so it's no secret. Want to be an airline pilot? Your company will require a uniform. Don't like a double breasted jacket? Don't work at Delta. Hate hats? Go to SWA or one of the other non hat shops. Heck, I did not like the hat but when my airline required it I wore it. When it became optional I ditched it. Unless, of course, you got a signed statement exempting you from uniform requirements as a condition of your hiring. I don't think many brought that up during the interview. "Yeah, I'll work here. But I refuse to wear a blazer." If you did not mention it at the interview, then suck it up. So what your company pays you to do- and the uniform is in the FOM so yeah, it's part of what they pay you to do.
 
What truly amazes me, is that somebody at a mainline carrier:

1)Even remotely cares.

2)Is so wrapped up about it, that they go out of their way to post it here.

No offense folks, but if I ever make it to the next level, I will give zero craps about anything at the regionals. Beer, good food, and mountain biking will be of utmost importance.
 
GypsyPilot said:
What truly amazes me, is that somebody at a mainline carrier:

1)Even remotely cares.

2)Is so wrapped up about it, that they go out of their way to post it here.

No offense folks, but if I ever make it to the next level, I will give zero craps about anything at the regionals. Beer, good food, and mountain biking will be of utmost importance.
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Those pilots care about the profession.
 
Derg said:
I wonder does the ritual for passing muster when applying for "The Arnold Air Society" still involve answering the question: "How many rivets in an F-15?" :)
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The vast majority of JCers don't even know what AAS is (and that's probably a good thing!).

<== once upon a time was the National Director of Operations for Arnold Air Society...but they don't have a place to put that on AirlineApps, hehe.
 
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Seggy said:
Those pilots care about the profession.
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With all due respect, posting lame click bait images does nothing of the sort. It's what I would expect to see of an early 20s RJ FO on APC, not a (presumably) mature pilot at a mainline carrier. But whatever entertains you...
 
Seggy said:
Thank you



Not directed at you, just talking in general, if that is what he is handing out during a CRM talk, he shouldn't be talking about CRM.
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You're making that judgement having never heard or seen hours worth of material that went with it, and I doubt you're making any judgements on the quality of that material anyway. You're just making fun of someone for no reason other than to feel superior. Did it work?

For what it's worth, safety and professionalism are topics that are very important to me and keeping a pilot group on the right track in those respects was my primary responsibility at my last job.

My opinion of the material, of which this was only a small part, was that it was very good in introducing the concepts to people who may not be familiar with them, and could have been improved in some areas.

The fact that they presented it on DAY ONE shows me that it is important to them, and that's good.

Like any training program, there will always be improvements that can be made, its an ongoing process.

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GypsyPilot said:
With all due respect, posting lame click bait images does nothing of the sort. It's what I would expect to see of an early 20s RJ FO on APC, not a (presumably) mature pilot at a mainline carrier. But whatever entertains you...
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I would expect that folks are being taught at Fee For Departure Carriers real CRM skills, not ridiculous 'creeds' made up by folks who don't have a clue what they are doing.
 
trafficinsight said:
You're making that judgement having never heard or seen hours worth of material that went with it, and I doubt you're making any judgements on the quality of that material anyway. You're just making fun of someone for no reason other than to feel superior. Did it work?

For what it's worth, safety and professionalism are topics that are very important to me and keeping a pilot group on the right track in those respects was my primary responsibility at my last job.

My opinion of the material, of which this was only a small part, was that it was very good in introducing the concepts to people who may not be familiar with them, and could have been improved in some areas.

The fact that they presented it on DAY ONE shows me that it is important to them, and that's good.

Like any training program, there will always be improvements that can be made, its an ongoing process.

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Judgments happen all the time based upon the acts or materials of a few. If that 'creed' is part of the CRM class, I don't want to see the rest of it.
 
Seggy said:
Judgments happen all the time based upon the acts or materials of a few. If that 'creed' is part of the CRM class, I don't want to see the rest of it.
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Yes it does but you aren't seeing the whole package, so your loss. We must be doing something right with a fairly happy pilot group, continue to get flying from our partners and aren't the bottom paid airline.

Judgment goes both ways Mark, and once again doesn't promote you in good light.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Yes it does but you aren't seeing the whole package, so your loss. We must be doing something right with a fairly happy pilot group, continue to get flying from our partners and aren't the bottom paid airline.

Judgment goes both ways Mark, and once again doesn't promote you in good light.
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What is funny is folks don't know where I got this picture from and what they were thinking when they sent it to me.

Furthermore, weren't some restrictions placed on the CRJs recently there because of some crew related issues? So is the package working?
 
Seggy said:
What is funny is folks don't know where I got this picture from and what they were thinking when they sent it to me. Furthermore, weren't some restrictions placed on the CRJs recently there because of some crew related issues?
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why don't you tell us more about the funny part then, as you believe it brings to the table. And yes some issues, all airlines have issues with the FAA from time to time. At least we didn't see million dollar fines from them like your airline did this year. Care to comment on that? Or your airline CRM issues from earlier this year?
 
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Blackhawk said:
I'm kinda confused. Airlines have had uniforms for pilots since before anyone on this board was probably born, so it's no secret. Want to be an airline pilot? Your company will require a uniform. Don't like a double breasted jacket? Don't work at Delta. Hate hats? Go to SWA or one of the other non hat shops. Heck, I did not like the hat but when my airline required it I wore it. When it became optional I ditched it. Unless, of course, you got a signed statement exempting you from uniform requirements as a condition of your hiring. I don't think many brought that up during the interview. "Yeah, I'll work here. But I refuse to wear a blazer." If you did not mention it at the interview, then suck it up. So what your company pays you to do- and the uniform is in the FOM so yeah, it's part of what they pay you to do.
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Stop making sense! Yower hurtin' my ears with your logic! :)

I got the what-for from an old codger who thought my bag "looked too new". I couldn't figure that one out. So I said, "Welp, it's my home away from home".
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
why don't you tell us more about the funny part then, as you believe it brings to the table. And yes some issues, all airlines have issues with the FAA from time to time. At least we didn't see million dollar fines from them like your airline did this year. Care to comment on that? Or your airline CRM issues from earlier this year?
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Wait! Wait! Let me reproduce it for you:

Date: January 9, 2015
SAFETY ALERT: Significant safety concerns

Recent events in our operation have dictated that we communicate with all of you immediately. Over the past few weeks, our airline has experienced what we would categorize as major safety events and near-misses.

In Flight Operations we have seen two events in close proximity to terrain (one resulting in a GPWS pull-up maneuver), an Undesired Aircraft State on departure and a low fuel state on arrival after a deviation from a Sabre Flight Plan routing.

The common thread with all of these is that they are preventable. We must ask ourselves, "Do we have our priorities in line every time we put on our uniforms and strap into the airplane?" While the airline industry always seems to be in a state of flux, the one constant for all of us is that we are professional aviators with the common goal of flying our passengers and crew from point A to point B SAFELY.

Another common thread to some of these events is a lack of attention to disciplined Crew Resource Management. Every time we enter the cockpit with the intention of performing our pilot duties, we evaluate risk. Every pilot must be willing to speak up if safety is in question. In the same vein, every pilot must also accept the input of their fellow crewmembers on the flight deck. In most cases, one of the pilots recognizes an unsafe situation. In some cases, a pilot's input is ignored. This is unacceptable.

The recent CFIT accident in Birmingham involving another carrier underscores how quickly things can unravel. The approach and landing appeared normal to the pilots until right before impact. Let's not for a moment think something like that could not happen at United.

We are currently seeing a lot of movement in the pilot group, such as retirements, seat movements and new hires, that - while welcome - introduces significant risk to the operation. While no one ever shows up to work with the goal of intentionally making a mistake, we are human and mistakes happen. What we can control is how we conduct ourselves on each and every flight. If you have ever used the term "Standard Brief" before departure, you have not complied with an SOP. If you have ever exceeded Stabilized Approach Criteria intentionally and not executed a go-around, you are not in compliance.

We know this is a brutally honest message and the tendency may be to rationalize why compliance is not occurring in some areas. Bottom line: United is at a critical juncture in its history and we as aviators must adhere to the policies and procedures outlined in the Flight Manuals, FOM, WOM and ALPA Code of Ethics. Reviewing, understanding, and complying with the guidance in company manuals is imperative to returning ourselves, our fellow crewmembers and passengers to their families safely. This is our top priority and greatest responsibility, and we appreciate in advance your continued commitment and cooperation.

Fly safe.

Howard Attarian, Sr. Vice President Flight Operations
Michael Quiello, Vice President Corporate Safety
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Now, with that said, I think this memorandum should be printed out and posted in everyone's crew room everywhere, especially paragraphs three, four, and the last one. Indeed, United should be commended for realizing their vulnerability and sounding the alarm bell loudly and publicly. It beats sweeping the problem under the rug.

In different ways, large growth events are as difficult as when things are going slowly (or backward) in the industry.
 
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