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Autothrust Blue said:
I actually think we could and should spend at least another day on "soft" topics, and CRM.
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I agree.


Autothrust Blue said:
I'm not even rightly sure if any of our limitations are memory items, to tell you the truth. There's no bold print in the manual, other than the (procedural) memory items.

There is stuff that you'd damn well better know, though.
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My buddy went through ERJ initial back in September and was worried when he had not received a pre-study packet. Turns out, there were no memory items to know before starting. You're right though... You should know speeds and other limitations down cold!
 
M20B_pilot said:
My buddy went through ERJ initial back in September and was worried when he had not received a pre-study packet. Turns out, there were no memory items to know before starting. You're right though... You should know speeds and other limitations down cold!
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"Should," of course, is a different word from "must," and this inconsistency in practice annoys this pedantic pilot.
 
M20B_pilot said:
As others have mentioned, that silly creed is in a book you get on a 2 day leadership course. I actually enjoyed the course. They tried to really hit home the importance of taking the job seriously and remember that we are flying human beings around. That may sound like a no brainer to realize, but some of these young guys who are barely out of college and think they're all that for being at a regional airline, might need to be reminded of the seriousness of this job.
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I completely agree.

-Fox
 
MikeFavinger said:
At least the Army got one right:

The Specialist Creed

No one gets away with more than I. I am a non Non-Commissioned Officer, a beast of burden. As a junior enlisted soldier I realize that I am a member of an under appreciated, much chastised group of soldiers which is known as the ribcage, or perhaps pancreas, of the Army.

I am proud of myself and my fellow Specialists and will continue to bitch, whine and sham until the absolute last second regardless of the mission at hand. I will use my grade and position to avoid responsibility, accountability and any sense of presence of mind.

Ignorance is my watchword. My two best excuses will always be on the tip of my tongue "I didn't know," and "It wasn't me." I will strive to remain invisible and unavailable for details. Never ever volunteer for anything is my rallying cry.

I am aware of my role as a SPC and if you need me for anything, I'll be on appointment. I know the other soldiers, and I will always refer to them by their first name or in some cases derogatory nickname. On weekends, or days off I will consistently drink myself into oblivion, and I will never answer my phone. I understand that for a person in my hierarchal position, rewards are going to be few and far between, and punishment will always be swift and severe.

Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties, because I will be accomplishing them for them. I will kiss up to their face and badmouth them behind their back, just like everyone else. I will be loyal to those with home I serve, provided there's something in it for me. I am the last bastion of common sense that stands between me and the Army philosophy of "Work Harder, Not Smarter." My voice is a tool and my complaints are a weapon that I wield with unmatched skill and finesse. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget, Specialist is the greatest rank in the Army and rank has its privileges.
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The Creed of the 33W
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I am a technician first, but a soldier somewhere down the line.

With unskilled labor as my heritage but money in the future.

Performing the first task of a 33: to find, apply for, and receive a good civilian job.

With a feeling of superiority and of egotism, superhuman, nay, godlike abilities, and above all, considerably better job prospects than the average operator.

Always at silent war while maintaining a passport in case of a shooting war.

THE SUPREME BEING OF THE ARMY OF ONE.
 
You can't teach "nuts and bolts" on Fifi because Airbus won't even provide that info.

"Fault" is Français for "Push".

Btw, the APU burn rate is hidden in an obscure corner of our MEL. Discovered it by "accident" once. Somewhere around <300 pph...
 
Derg said:
I don't understand the "build the plane" mentality in the 2000's.
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C'mon...you know that wasn't an "in the 2000s" thing. That's how it has been back to basically the beginning of aviation. You read about that at American in the 30s in Fate Is The Hunter. My dad relates that's how it was in the Air Force during the 1950s. That mentality is the standard.

The reality is, the "only know what you need to know to operate it" is actually a very new concept.
 
Hacker15e said:
C'mon...you know that wasn't an "in the 2000s" thing. That's how it has been back to basically the beginning of aviation. You read about that at American in the 30s in Fate Is The Hunter. My dad relates that's how it was in the Air Force during the 1950s. That mentality is the standard.

The reality is, the "only know what you need to know to operate it" is actually a very new concept.
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I do think much of the "build the airplane" was overblown. How many rivits in the tail boom? Who cares. Won't help me.
Now understanding how systems work CAN help when you encounter something that is not in the OM/POH. When I teach GA and encounter someone with a turbo charged engine the first thing we do is open the EP section. 90% of the time there is no EP for a turbo charger failure, something that can seriously kill you. I've encountered a few EPs over the years that were not covered in a -10, POH, OM.
On the flip side we expended too many brain cells memorizing limitations. What's the oil limit? Well, when the light thingies turn red and I hear a ding it's bad.
Same with EPs. Too often we forced pilots to commit to memory EPs that were not critical, something that just increased the chances of screwing something up. I remember giving an O-6 a transition. The airframe was notorious for having false dire warnings due to the photo system used. We got a fire light and, before I could react he reached up and yanked off the wrong engine. Fortunately it was a false fire. On the flip side I remember giving a pilot crap for not knowing his Ng limits on a combat mission. Man, what a jerk I was. The poor kid was scared enough and I'm asking him his Ng limits. Green good, yellow not so good, red bad.
 
Blackhawk said:
Oh, and add me to the what's the big deal crowd. Seeing pilots in the airport wearing their North Face jackets, backpack over their shoulder, sunglasses on their head, earbuds in their ears maybe we actually need to tell some of them the obvious.
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It's usually not my place to do so, but I have taken aside some of our newer guys to talk about appearance, in a "hey, I don't care, but someone might, and I don't know if anyone told you" manner. Forehead-sunglasses and earbuds aren't going to fly unless you've stripped (or covered) the bling off your shirt. These are expressly prohibited at my airline.

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With respect to the backpack look: at my airline, it IS expressly prohibited, and it is consequently a dumb way to get gigged. (Nobody told me is not a defense, but I don't think we spend enough time on such things.)
 
Blackhawk said:
Oh, and add me to the what's the big deal crowd. Seeing pilots in the airport wearing their North Face jackets, backpack over their shoulder, sunglasses on their head, earbuds in their ears maybe we actually need to tell some of them the obvious.
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Seriously, who wears North Face, that's soooooooo 2007.
 
I get the ear buds walking around the airport (it presents a "don't bother me front" to passengers which doesn't convey a customer first mindset). I get the northface (what's the point of having uniforms if we all wear something different*). But for the life of my I just can NOT understand the hate for the backpack. I mean if we are talking a Hello Kitty backpack or something like that, sure, I follow. But there are some real classy backpacks out there now that, too me, look just as professional as the luggage works ballistic flight case. Hell, most of the flight cases I see that are at airlines that don't have EFBs are horrible. They are old, falling apart, and covered with Ron Jon Surf Shop stickers. That looks worse than a simple black Swiss Gear bag.

*I don't even like shops that offer a leather jacket AND the traditional blazer. Pick one. If we MUST wear a uniform, let's actually be uniform.
 
My uniform pants are golf pants from Belk. I don't wear a hat and don't own a uniform issue winter coat. Thing is, I fit right in with the rest of us :).
 
crfguy51 said:
It's an actual photo of a document handed out to FO's on day one, at least as of a few years ago.
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Thank you

They don't make you do anything other than not throw it away until you at least get back to the Candlehood. It was part of AK's CRM talk, don't make you recite it or memorize anything.
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Not directed at you, just talking in general, if that is what he is handing out during a CRM talk, he shouldn't be talking about CRM.
 
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