Is it just me or does this look a little nuts?

JOEFRIDAY2 said:
I guess someone could learn to drive today in a 57 Chevy with a manual transmission. However I don't think that makes them a better driver than someone learning to drive in a 2010 Chevy.

My recommendation is to learn the glass cockpit.
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Except that if you teach someone to drive a 57' Chevy, they'll probably be able to get in a 2010 model and drive away without any trouble at all. But if you teach a kid to drive in a 2010 Chevy and then put them in the 57'? Well they probably wouldn't be able to get it started. And if they did, they certainly wouldn't be able to get it to move very far*.


*Assuming of course that the 57' is a carburated engine/manual trans as most were back then and the 2010 is a fuel injected engine/auto trans as most are today.
 
jrh said:
Good argument if everyone learns to fly with the goal of flying Beech 1900s at a 121 carrier. Thankfully, that's not reality.
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Where did I say fly one for an airliner? I said interview.

At my airline no matter what plane you go to, you interview in a Beech 1900 sim. If your hired you could go to a plane with nothing in it but VORs, and sometimes with only 1 side having DME. Or you could go to a full glass cockpit. When you upgrade though, youll probably be going to the one with the lesser equipment.

American Eagle also interviews using a VERY old Piper sim with a regular old six pack and an HSI. They also have used a Saab sim in the past, with a 6 pack.

Dont count on flying that sweet RJ until you pass the interview.

Im not really bashing the learning with all screens. Its just the way things are done these days and anything that can give us good situational awareness is a good thing in the end.
 
This is how an airplane should look:


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In hindsight, I wish I had trained on glass. It wouldve made my transition easier :)

I had to learn about auto-pilots, FDs and longrange nav in turbine stuff.

Btw, does this count as glass or just efis?

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:P
 
cencal83406 said:
Depends on what airplane your in...
our back up "ISIS" provides G/S and LOC in addition to heading, altitude and speed.
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Ok, let me clarify then...

I've never seen a Garmin G1000 or Avidyne PFD/MFD installation (hands down the two most popular glass cockpits in light GA aircraft) that provides an OBS indicator as part of the standby instruments.
 
Muff3n said:
I am all for having a glass cockpit airplane AFTER your PPL and IFR courses have been finished. Just like many people have said here I believe that the huge moving map really hurts your pilotage/ dead reckoning skills. I believe that at least during training, students should use more pilotage/ dead reckoning to help find out where they are and navigate.

The whole point of me saying this is when you have those big purdy screens and have a total electrical failure you will know where you are by looking out of the window. If all of your training has been done on glass cockpits I don't believe you develop the dead reckoning skills that a pilot that has been trained in a steam gauge airplane has.
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You might not believe it, but I do.

A person can learn pilotage and dead reckoning every bit as well in a glass cockpit as well as a conventional.

It's all in how the instructor goes about teaching.
 
v1valarob said:
Where did I say fly one for an airliner? I said interview.

At my airline no matter what plane you go to, you interview in a Beech 1900 sim. If your hired you could go to a plane with nothing in it but VORs, and sometimes with only 1 side having DME. Or you could go to a full glass cockpit. When you upgrade though, youll probably be going to the one with the lesser equipment.

American Eagle also interviews using a VERY old Piper sim with a regular old six pack and an HSI. They also have used a Saab sim in the past, with a 6 pack.

Dont count on flying that sweet RJ until you pass the interview.

Im not really bashing the learning with all screens. Its just the way things are done these days and anything that can give us good situational awareness is a good thing in the end.
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I didn't say anything about flying a sweet RJ. In fact, I question how well "GA glass" even prepares a person for "121 glass."

The point of my comment was to remind everyone that there are a LOT of pilots flying glass cockpit aircraft that don't aspire to pass an interview with American Eagle, or any other airline, for that matter.

I'd encourage anyone seriously wanting to pass an interview to prep specifically for the interview, regardless of their background. If they're coming from glass and plan to interview using a conventional sim, they better learn the round dials. If there ever comes a day when interviews are conducted using G1000 sims, applicants coming from conventional backgrounds better figure out glass.
 
This thread reminds me of the "crew party" days in CDG where the 767-400 Bubbas would walk down, introduce themselves and tell the NY flight attendants: "Yup, I'm on the FO'hunnert outta 'Lanna. It's got six tube EEE'fus, right thar, side by side"

Then some smartass would say, "Hey fo'hunnert guy, dad jeans and white tennis shoes, big night planned on the Rive Gauche? :)"
 
Eww, you ever actually skin a cat? It can be quite the challenge!
 
Steam gauges certainly aren't the past. I fly steam everyday, single-pilot IFR in the northeast in all weather conditions. It even has a monochrome radar from the 1970s. Pretty sweet, right? Makes me a big hairy-chested man?

Well, probably. But still, I'd much rather have glass than have to do my job day in and day out with a six pack. I can do it safely with normal gauges, but man, it would be so nice to have a G1000 rig. It'd cut down on my workload a ton, and certainly give me more situational awareness in the process. It's cool to beat your chest and say how B-A you are for flying steam on the boards, but come out and hand fly it to 1800 RVR. You'll be begging for glass. I know I am! ;)
 
Doug Taylor said:
This thread reminds me of the "crew party" days in CDG where the 767-400 Bubbas would walk down, introduce themselves and tell the NY flight attendants: "Yup, I'm on the FO'hunnert outta 'Lanna. It's got six tube EEE'fus, right thar, side by side"

Then some smartass would say, "Hey fo'hunnert guy, dad jeans and white tennis shoes, big night planned on the Rive Gauche? :)"
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:rotfl:
 
Oh man, now since you said it THAT way, welcome to the inner circle! ;) :sarcasm:
 
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