Is a college degree necessary in aviation?

Ice_Hawk

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I have a question for the airline/regional/corportate/frieght pilots. Do you have to go to college at all to fly professionally? Most people here say that getting an aviation degree doesn't matter, and say to just go to a state school to have fun.

I can enjoy life more without going to school. I took a year off after high school, and I still got the "college experience" without having to take any classes. Most of my friends aren't going to college or they're going to a local school and living at home. Instead of going to college, I could get the heck out of the south and move to Chicago. Staying here in this town won't do me any good and going to Western Michigan (the school I decided to go to) is pretty useless unless I'm majoring in aviation, which you guys (airline pilots/CFI's) said wasn't a good idea. If the airlines don't care about what a degree is in, then why would they care if I had a college degree at all?

Spending four years getting a degree in aviation, engineering, physics, or basketweaving would just be a waste of time and money. I could move to Chicago, get a job there, train at ATP, build hours, and get life experience. That makes more sense than getting a degree I'll probably never use or living with my parents for another 2-4 years.

Any advice?
 
I think the requirement of "a four year degree, it dosen't matter what it is in" is total BS.
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A peice of paper on the wall dosn't mean you are smarter than me. Some of the DUMBEST people I know have postgraduate degrees.
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That said, very few of the people in charge of hireing agree with me.
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If you are in HS, just go ahead and go to school, fly as much as you can, and finish the degree.
 
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I think the requirement of "a four year degree, it dosen't matter what it is in" is total BS.
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A peice of paper on the wall dosn't mean you are smarter than me. Some of the DUMBEST people I know have postgraduate degrees.
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That said, very few of the people in charge of hireing agree with me.
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If you are in HS, just go ahead and go to school, fly as much as you can, and finish the degree.

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I'm not in HS anymore (graduated last year.) I'm signed up to go to school but may not go. Is it really a requirement to have a 4 year degree?
 
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Is it really a requirement to have a 4 year degree?

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Efectivly, yes.

Many places say "4 year degree is highly prefered, but not required". If you apply, your resume goes below all the guys with degrees in Art History, regardless of your experiance.

It sucks, but that's the way it is.
 
Icehawk,

I knocked out my degree in business, picked up all of my ratings at an FBO, and came out with minimal outstanding debt.

If your parents chip in for the flight school, you can get done for pretty cheap AND major in something you enjoy (perhaps Communication, Psychology, Business, etc.)

Bottom line: Enjoy your youth - don't focus solely on the airlines right now. College is a blast - it really is fun. Obtaining a degree shows that you can commit to something while you're building your social skills.

As far as not liking school, a current 747 captain said that airline pilots learn the equivalent of seven master's degrees throughout the career. 7! That may be part of the reason why the airlines are pretty big on the degree.
 
This is right from the Jetcareers main page. I'm guessing Doug wrote it.

http://jetcareers.com/college.htm

College Degrees

How Important is a College Degree?
In my opinion, the importance of a college degree is directly related to how far you want to go in aviation. For example, Northwest will not consider an applicant without a four-year degree while other airlines may. Just because an airline does not require a degree, doesn't mean that they are going to consider you on equal footing as a degreed pilot. For example, American Airlines doesn't have a requirement for a four-year degree however, the average new-hire pilot has at least a bachelors degree (according to Air Inc). At "least" having a bachelor's degree means that some applicants that were hired have advanced degrees like masters, doctorates, etc.
Many regional airlines will hire without degrees also, but that may be as far as you go career-wise and may never afford the chance to fly the "heavies". Remember, the key is to be as competitive as possible in order to reach your goal in aviation. While I was flying for Skyway Airlines, I worked with several excellent pilots who didn't have a college education. However, since they had no degree, their next step in their careers would have to be to one of the few airlines that don't require one. In other words, if you don't have a degree, you will limit your career advancement greatly. It's never too late to pursue a degree and with the advent of satellite campuses of universities, independent study and other types of professional/adult education, it's never been easier.


Does the particular degree I get matter?
Well a degree in Aeronautical Science is as much a bachelors degree as one in Applied Astrophysics. Even though I majored in Aeronautical Science, I'd highly recommend that you consider minoring in a non aviation-related degree as a back up. So far, I've flown with pilots with majors in business, aviation, physics, mathematics, liberal arts and a variety of other degrees. In fact, the pilot who I attended MD-88 training with as a forestry major.

The actual degree program does not matter no matter what a particular college or university may tell you. The important part of having a degree is showing to the airline that you were able to meet the academic requirements as part of completing college. As an airline pilot, you endure recurrent training (training required annually), initial training (training on a new airplane) and upgrade training (transitioning from first officer to captain). So essentially, you spend most of your career studying new systems, procedures and techniques until the day you retire. The airlines want to know that you have good study habits and your success, or lack thereof, in college will show the airline how well you learn.
Why Does a College Degree Matter?
I get a lot of email from interested individuals asking about if they can get hired by a major airline without a degree but with quality flight experience. Well, the short answer is that if XYZ Airlines wanted to hire 500 pilots and didn't specify anything other than requiring the applicant to have a commercial pilot certificate or ATP rating, they would probably recieve at least 25,000 applications from interested pilots.

By requiring pilots to have college degrees, they're ensuring that the applicant at least has some ability to suceed in classroom learning, practice the same discipline used in acquiring the degree in the ground school and helps weed out to find the "cream of the crop". I'm not saying that pilots with degrees are any better or worse than pilots without, but obtaining a college degree can be a whole lot easier than making it to the cockpit.

A college degree also should matter to you on a personal level. In 2001, the industry saw a lot of pilot furloughs where they were temporarily laid off and had to pursue other employment. Now if you have no skills or education apart from what you learned while attaining your certificates and ratings and you're not able to find a flying job, you'll be hard pressed to maintain your quality of life and continue to feed your family. If you want to keep all of your options open in the airline industry, get a degree.
What about a non-aviation degree?
Good choice. I don't mean this to denegrate aviation universities whatsoever, in fact I'm a ERAU Aeronautical Science graduate and was very happy with the quality of my education. However, now since I've been at the airlines a few years, I really wished I had focused on a non-aviation degree program because there are so many (academic) things other than aviation that I'm interested in (computers, physics, finance, etc) that I wished I had studied in college.

Plus, having a non-aviation degree is a great backup. Many of the captains I fly with, almost most I'd estimate, have some sort of side business. The captain I flew with when I originally wrote this page manufactures high-end pool cues and golf clubs, others are involved in financial services businesses, ranching, and a multitude of other things.

College Degrees
 
If you want the same education level as someone who works at McDonalds, go for it. However, you limit yourself greatly in life without one. People can tell you otherwise, and cite examples, but those are few and far between. It doesn't matter if you're an idiot, you'll be an idiot with a degree.

What happens if you lose your medical for whatever reason? Then you're at the same level as "Joe Smith" who gets paid minimum wage mopping floors.

Can you say: Would you like fries with that?
 
If someone said I had to choose between giving up my degree and my college experience or never flying again... Well that would suck, but lets just say that I would wake up the next morning with my diploma on the wall and my CU shirt on my back!

Yeah baby! Go Buffs!
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You will not be as competitive for some jobs, particularly at the airlines. It might not be the most attractive option to you, but you will need it at some point, and it is much easier to get it while you are younger.


Bottom line: to survive today, you need a college degree. "Life experience" is something *everyone* has, so why would you intentionally reduce your chances at a job?
 
This subject has been talked about before. Bottom line, some majors require a college degree to even apply. Others it is 'recommended' which means if you don't have it, you'll be behind all the other applicants who do.

Having a degree means you're educated, willing to study, and capable of learning.

Get a degree.

Dropping out of college was one of the biggest regrets of my life.

Do a search on 'college degree' here in the forum, and you'll probably come up with a lot of info.
 
Some airlines might give preferences to people with an aviation degree, but overall, the airlines don't care what kind of degree you have. Like mentioned before, a college degree make's you more competitive. Like I said many time’s before, get a degree, but in something other than aviation! College is a great experience, and you will be glad to have a degree in case you loose your medical and you won’t be able to fly anymore.
 
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However, you limit yourself greatly in life without one.

What happens if you lose your medical for whatever reason? Then you're at the same level as "Joe Smith" who gets paid minimum wage mopping floors.

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It's always good to have a back up plan. A degree will only help you sooner or later. I would say without any hesitation that you should go to college.
 
With so many pilots out there, most dream of making it a profession.

That being said more qualified applicants will emerge and Airlines will raise the minimums and IMO make a degree a requirement, even for Regionals.
 
Get a degree, if you don't, I guarantee you 99% that in ten, fifteen years from now you will regret it. In todays job market not having one means that you are pretty much limited to non-skilled jobs.
Anyways I'm sure you know this. Be smart, go to college, and use your time wisely, it's not coming back.
I'll steal a quote from another JC member: "Laziness pays now, hard work pays in the future" (or something like that)
 
Going to college will also allow you to explore other interests and be exposed to different fields of study. Who knows, you might take a psychology or history course and decide that you don't want to fly for a living.

I have no doubt that you could get a flying gig without a degree. But is that all you want to be in life, a pilot? I always love it when I fly with someone who doesn't just "talk shop" in the cockpit enroute or at the $100 hamburger destination - it's much more interesting when they have something else to say.

Sure, there are other venues to become more well-rounded and experienced, but I would have to say that college and the military are two of the most tried and true methods. With today's job market, I think it's a much better idea to delay entry with education than jump in (especially in a high CoL city like Chicago!).

As someone who just finished their last day of undergraduate classes, I realize that I'm in a different position than you are, but wanted to add some perspective to the situation.

J.
 
Go to college, deadbeat!
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No wonder India's getting all of the IT jobs!
 
I say go to Kollege and you be ssmart. Smart persen alway get job.
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Think about your future bro. Lets say you skip college and you lose your medical for some reason(God forbid) during your IOE with Express Jet. you wouldnt be as marketable as a college graduate.

Get a degree...Im getting mine in waste management with a minor in prop wash engineering.
 
Thanks for all the input. It seems like most people here say go to college. That's the answer I expected. You're right, I probably will never have a very high paying job (non-aviation or aviation) without a degree. However, money is not that important to me. As long as I'm doing something I love to do and making enough money to live off of, then I'll be happy.

Most of you say go to college to have fun. Sure, college is fun, but I can have just as much fun hanging out with my friends, or flying, or experiencing new things as I can in college. I'm not much of a partier/drinker anyway.

You say it makes sense to have a degree, because in the future I'll need one. The future? I could be hit by a bus (or a prop) tomorrow. There are no guarantees I'll even be around in 15 years. Why not enjoy life as much as I can instead of spending it worring about making lots of money. The whole reason I fly is because that's what I love to do. If I wanted to make a lot of money I would be at a college right now majoring in accounting.

I'm not saying that I'm not going to college. I have already been accepted to a university, paid tuition, and signed up for classes and housing. I'll probably go for at least a year. However, why should I spend four years on a college campus in Kalamazoo learning about profit trends of cellphone companies, or quadratic equations, or who the king of France was in the 14th century, and working toward a USELESS degree when I could be on my own in Chicago, socializing, working, flying, and just LIVING LIFE.
 
Without a degree, if you haven't sharp "do it yourself" entrepreneur skills, you're going to be competing with cheap labor from Mexico for the rest of your life.

That's reality.
 
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Going to college will also allow you to explore other interests and be exposed to different fields of study. Who knows, you might take a psychology or history course and decide that you don't want to fly for a living.

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My parets won't let me major in psychology, history, or anything that doesn't prepare you for a specific job. They want business, engineering, physics, or pre-med, something that pays money. Besides, I don't ever see myself giving up flying. I will quit flying either when I lose my medical or when I am dead and buried, and not a second before.

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I have no doubt that you could get a flying gig without a degree. But is that all you want to be in life, a pilot?

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No, that's not all I want out of life. I have many other goals for my personal life, and there are a lot of things that are more important to me that flying. Aviation is just my career choice.

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I always love it when I fly with someone who doesn't just "talk shop" in the cockpit enroute or at the $100 hamburger destination - it's much more interesting when they have something else to say.

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That's me. I almost never talk about flying, and it annoys me when I'm with someone who just wants to talk about the metal tube with wings.

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Sure, there are other venues to become more well-rounded and experienced, but I would have to say that college and the military are two of the most tried and true methods. With today's job market, I think it's a much better idea to delay entry with education than jump in (especially in a high CoL city like Chicago!).

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I know today's job market sucks, but it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon. I'm a pacifist so I won't join the military. If I don't go to school I'll probably get a low-end apartment just outside of Chicago with some friends.

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As someone who just finished their last day of undergraduate classes, I realize that I'm in a different position than you are, but wanted to add some perspective to the situation.

J.

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Thanks for the advice and thanks for putting up with my long rant. I'm definitely going to think this one over
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