Interesting thoughts on ORD layout...

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Gotta love that pinwheel concept.

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And now it has morphed into a DFW style complex as far as a bunch of parallel runways, but the taxiways are a cluster. Neat article!
 
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No more Old/New Scenic, Stub, Bridge, Lakeshore, Bypass, Outer/Inner Circular, North-south, Air Force Scenic taxiways anymore.....
 
MikeD said:
No more Old/New Scenic, Stub, Bridge, Lakeshore, Bypass, Outer/Inner Circular, North-south, Air Force Scenic taxiways anymore.....
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That's been gone for a while as far as I know.

ORD has always been a mess. If you're operating in and out of there with regularity, it's manageable. But if you're only there every once in a while, it's a bear.

ORD, at least to me, has always been like walking in a hyper busy "locals only" restaurant without a menu and you only have a short time for lunch. The patrons are very fast to mock you for unfamiliarity and all you want to do is key your mic and say "Shut your asses, I'm here like once every 18 months. This isn't the center of the world. Can a brother get a damn quesadilla? Oh, when your editorial comments are over, I see you call it a cheese crisp here, whatever."

The controllers are good for the cluster that is the airport design, have a strange penchant for putting you in non-stabilized situations and asking for some things that your airplane isn't quite capable of. Some of the regular pilots can get a little "heady" and macho. ("Huh, SouthernJets rolled out to (taxiway)" and your parenthetical thought bubble reads: "Mind your business, son, ER's don't like to 'dip below VASI' and 'jam on the brakes and noisemakers' to look cool for everyone holding short")

Man, I gotta eat. Hungry.
 
Seggy said:
He agrees with me! You NEVER need to stop in ORD.



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Which works in ORD when everyone's familiar with it.

Peeeeeeeeeeersonally, instead of unwritten localisms to make a bunch of broke-ass crap work is introducing domestic CPDLC with a graphical overlay of your instructions uploaded to your EFB 10-9 page and RTA instructions if needed.

The system is already created as I was one of the guinea pigs at NASA/Ames a few years ago.

But it costs moolah.
 
Derg said:
Which works in ORD when everyone's familiar with it.

Peeeeeeeeeeersonally, instead of unwritten localisms to make a bunch of broke-ass crap work is introducing domestic CPDLC with a graphical overlay of your instructions uploaded to your EFB 10-9 page and RTA instructions if needed.

The system is already created as I was one of the guinea pigs at NASA/Ames a few years ago.

But it costs moolah.
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Meh, by the time you get all that in place, why not just let the controllers remotely "drive" the plane around the airport? The pilots could just be there to hit the brakes really hard if Ground screws up
 
A80TRACON said:
Don't tell the controllers that, they'll fight ya.

@Seggy ORD > ATL pshhh, you ARE high
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I don't know... I'm not in ATL very often, but every time I am, it seems like the controllers there are high. ORD will slam dunk ya, sure, but at least it makes sense. ATL just seems all random like.
 
So the guy is trying to say that O'hare should continue to be a daily operational disaster just so the controllers can feel like they're awesome? He comes across like a tool not to say I don't work with many like him. I like that he compares operational statistics like that has absolutely anything to do with the airport layout..... I mean O'hare is a beast and I can understand that he feels it's boring now but the rest of his rambling is just ridiculous.
 
I don't know what everyone is bitching about. ORD works MUCH better than it did years ago. Who remembers C1, C, U, G (sometimes E), Z short of T, T, W, cross 4L, A, H, U, A bridge, gates occupied, double back at A7 let me know. Still occupied? Double back at A14 to the box.

Also, when ORD says you're going right in - they mean it. Was told that in ATL one day and we ended up on a 12 mile final. ;)
 
crticalaoa said:
Can someone say LAHSO?
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The impressive part is that back when the airport used the non east-west runways on a regular basis, I don't remember ATC ever having to issue LAHSO clearances...they would just "thread the needle"...for better or worse.
 
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