Interesting Read about Republic

Gonzo said:
Per Rex after 3407 they made a new rule. No sleeping in the crew rooms at any time so someone sitting RR can't take a nap.
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Holy crap you serious??? Talk about a GIANT step in the wrong direction. Guess that's airline politics for ya.... jeeeeeeze.
 
Gonzo said:
Per Rex after 3407 they made a new rule. No sleeping in the crew rooms at any time so someone sitting RR can't take a nap.
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Well... To be fair, you CAN take a nap if you can sleep through the TV blaring and the bright lights that don't turn off. :insane:
 
Well guys - per the misinformation department, er, management, sleeping was nixed... however, I have yet to see the base manager enforce the rule during daily operations. Methinks the clarified policy is that those who commute in the night before and sleep in the crew room (as opposed to spending money in a hotel), are violating company policy. Though, the policy disappears from the website from time to time.... almost like they were forced to by legal....
 
cencal83406 said:
Well guys - per the misinformation department, er, management, sleeping was nixed... however, I have yet to see the base manager enforce the rule during daily operations. Methinks the clarified policy is that those who commute in the night before and sleep in the crew room (as opposed to spending money in a hotel), are violating company policy. Though, the policy disappears from the website from time to time.... almost like they were forced to by legal....
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Probably because they can't tell us what to do on our off time. If we're between high speeds, technically they CAN'T tell us not to take a nap in the crew room. They can toss us from the crew rooms because we're not on duty, but they don't want to do that. Sets a precedent that NO ONE goes in there if they start tossing people. That's the last thing scheduling wants. :) I know there are guys that sleep in the MEM room, but personally, I can't and won't. It's filthy, dirty and I'd probably catch some sort of disease like the plague by being gnawed on by mice and rats in my sleep.

Then again, the company violates their own policy all the time. "Come down to ops for free pizza!" If they followed their own policy, it would either be only for CAs or FOs since the book says we can't eat the same food from the same place. They tend to conveniently ignore a lot of their own policies sometimes.
 
Republic was getting airport security involved to clear the crew rooms in the middle of the night. Last time I flew the line there there wasn't any policy saying you couldn't sleep in the crew rooms but they were adamant you didn't spend the night in there. This was pre-3407. I don't know what the official policy is now...
 
falconvalley said:
Republic was getting airport security involved to clear the crew rooms in the middle of the night. Last time I flew the line there there wasn't any policy saying you couldn't sleep in the crew rooms but they were adamant you didn't spend the night in there. This was pre-3407. I don't know what the official policy is now...
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No overnighting in the crew rooms, you can take a nap all you want but your not allowed to be in there over night. Rumor has it that there were some Flight Attendants that were using the crew rooms as their crash pad. They would bring back food from the grocery store and wander around the airport late at night, I guess they didn't have anywhere to live yet and just lived there... Pretty sad that these are the type of people that management feels up to the task of dealing with our passengers on a daily basis.
 
SoCalAprch said:
No overnighting in the crew rooms, you can take a nap all you want but your not allowed to be in there over night. Rumor has it that there were some Flight Attendants that were using the crew rooms as their crash pad. They would bring back food from the grocery store and wander around the airport late at night, I guess they didn't have anywhere to live yet and just lived there... Pretty sad that these are the type of people that management feels up to the task of dealing with our passengers on a daily basis.
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Not really sure how that's a knock on the Flight Attendants.

Rather it appears its more a condition of the income level which they are working under or the base location or both of those combined with a horrible real estate market?

So, since someone has not found permanent housing with a new company - and they're "crashing" at the airport - in their own company provided space much less - they're somehow unfit to deal with passengers?
 
surreal1221 said:
Not really sure how that's a knock on the Flight Attendants.

Rather it appears its more a condition of the income level which they are working under or the base location or both of those combined with a horrible real estate market?

So, since someone has not found permanent housing with a new company - and they're "crashing" at the airport - in their own company provided space much less - they're somehow unfit to deal with passengers?
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So you are saying that its OK for pilots and flight attendants to just live at the airport for weeks at a time? Im not talking about catching a few hours of sleep before the early commute home or even crashing there for a night or two between a couple of trips because you don't want to get a hotel. Im talking living there and having all your belongings in the crew room. Everyone in this industry knows that it only takes at most a day or two to get a crashpad set up and even if you can't there are plenty of people who would't have a problem with you crashing on a couch at one of the many crashpads in said city. Like I said I see no problem if you need a place to crash because you don't want to get a hotel for a night or two living there is a bit different. Last time I checked, if you lived at an airport or other public building you were considered homeless. So in essence we are hiring homeless flight attendants. And I agree that their pay needs to come up drastically however not being able to afford a $100 a month crashpad isn't an excuse.
 
Hmm, no - actually it doesn't look like I said it's "ok" by any measure.

Rather, I took an analytical look at perhaps a few of the elements causing their "living" at the airport. I also was unable to see the correlation between where a crewmember crashes in the evening and how they interact with customers while they're on the clock.
 
surreal1221 said:
Hmm, no - actually it doesn't look like I said it's "ok" by any measure.

Rather, I took an analytical look at perhaps a few of the elements causing their "living" at the airport. I also was unable to see the correlation between where a crewmember crashes in the evening and how they interact with customers while they're on the clock.
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I agree their pay needs to come up but when you walk into a crew room and there are 3 Flight Attendants sleeping on the floor with the lights turned off at 6:00 am it can be irritating. You are right that just because they live at the airport doesn't make them "bad" flight attendants per say however the kind of person who would make that kind of decision shouldn't be providing service and safety to the traveling public. Would you hire a nanny to watch your baby that chose to live at the library or the park?
 
Your scenario requires that I know where a person lives before I hire them.

You see the error in that scenario? I can't speak for any other company, but ASA didn't necessarily ask me where I spent the night.

Either way, yes, I take issue with you judging someones' professional behavior in front of passengers - or via proxy - in the flight deck - if they are not dropping coin on a crashpad but rather are spending the evening in the crewroom. Or, they're doing it for other reasons - none of which are any of our task to evaluate; at least not when directed towards their professional behavior in front of passengers.

Sure, I'd rather there not be squaters in the crewroom, but I'm not going to try to make the quantum-leap between their sleeping in the crewroom and their actions on the job.
 
surreal1221 said:
Your scenario requires that I know where a person lives before I hire them.

You see the error in that scenario? I can't speak for any other company, but ASA didn't necessarily ask me where I spent the night.

Either way, yes, I take issue with you judging someones' professional behavior in front of passengers - or via proxy - in the flight deck - if they are not dropping coin on a crashpad but rather are spending the evening in the crewroom. Or, they're doing it for other reasons - none of which are any of our task to evaluate; at least not when directed towards their professional behavior in front of passengers.

Sure, I'd rather there not be squaters in the crewroom, but I'm not going to try to make the quantum-leap between their sleeping in the crewroom and their actions on the job.
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Say what you want but squatting in the crew room for weeks at a time isn't right and isn't conducive to a professional crew and proper rest. Like I said grabbing a couple hours of shut eye before work, after a late commute, or before an early commute home or even spending the day there because you don't want to pay for a hotel is not a problem. However I do have a problem with unprofessional flight attendants squatting there and ruining the privilege for everyone else. There are plenty of other flight attendants and pilots that can take the time out of their life to find a cheap crash pad to settle down in until they can find permanent living situations and in my opinion if you are going to be making these types of life decisions then you have no place trying to represent the safety and professionalism of a crew member for an airline. Your argument is that it isn't any of my business however when my privileges are suffering because of their actions it does become my business. But like I said the type of reasoning that goes into deciding to live at an airport has no place in a professional setting. I don't want to argue about it anymore and say we just agree to disagree.

I also take issue with you assuming that I ever confronted or said anything to anyone in the flight deck or on an aircraft. It is obvious in the way you post that you are trying to spin this around to make it seem like I have confronted people when working or have any problem with someone spending a night in the crew room when that isn't true. Like I said before and it seems that you can't get into your head is that I have no problem with crew members spending the night in the crew room. Thats entirely different that living there for weeks on end.
 
Lol... Okay.

I don't think you've confronted anyone. What I'm saying is I don't think it's fair to make a judgement on how a fellow crew member will treat passengers or a fellow crew member by where they spend the night or live.

Only those who sleep in the master suite at a Hilton can be professional then, on a nightly basis, or only those who live in the three story 5 bedroom, 3.5 bath McMansion can be professional.

You follow what I've been trying to say now?

And, just to restate it, I don't agree with crew room squatters, but I won't necessarily cast them out as unprofessional, unsavory types because of where they are staying. It's quite shortsighted to do such, especially when you ignore the reasoning behind their perceived permanent living quarters.

Perhaps you should confront them, and perhaps ask them why they are staying there. Have you tried that? Or are you just quick off the draw to assume they're just cheap bastards? Not like our companies pay any of us real money anyway, much less Flight Attendants.
 
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