Instrument rating time requirments

av8or91

av8or91

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I know you need 50 hours of PIC x/c and 40 hours of instrument time 15 with a double eye.
1. Can the instrument time from your private count towards that 25 hours without a double eye?
Regulation says a total of 40 hours so that is why I am confused.

2. Can you get that instrument time while on your x/c flights?

Thanks
 
Im a little skeptical about getting the instrument time on cross country flights because the reg says 50 hours of x/c PIC. Would you really be PIC while under the hood with a safety pilot?

Asking because another instructor is telling me something different.
 
av8or91 said:
Im a little skeptical about getting the instrument time on cross country flights because the reg says 50 hours of x/c PIC. Would you really be PIC while under the hood with a safety pilot?

Asking because another instructor is telling me something different.
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it only count from private if you were rated in the aircraft... as in after you got your private. you cant log pic when you are a student unless its solo which you should not have any simulated hood i hope.
 
OregonTrail said:
it only count from private if you were rated in the aircraft... as in after you got your private. you cant log pic when you are a student unless its solo which you should not have any simulated hood i hope.
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Hold on a sec.

He can't count any XC time torward the 50hrs unless he was in fact PIC. This means any solo XC can count; he need not be a private pilot.

Now, for the simulated instrument requirments, yes he can count the mandated 3hrs from private training, as sim instrument is sim instrument regardless of what ratings (if any) you hold at the time.
 
av8or91 said:
Would you really be PIC while under the hood with a safety pilot?
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Absolutely. In fact, you would both log PIC time. Yes this is legal.

If, while under the hood, you were the sole manipulator of the controls, you log PIC time. During that time, the safety pilot is a required crew member, and can also log PIC time.
 
Holocene said:
Hold on a sec.

He can't count any XC time torward the 50hrs unless he was in fact PIC. This means any solo XC can count; he need not be a private pilot.

Now, for the simulated instrument requirments, yes he can count the mandated 3hrs from private training, as sim instrument is sim instrument regardless of what ratings (if any) you hold at the time.
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i disagree that the 3hrs from pvt training count because you don't need to be an II to give the training, it has to do with the verbage of it. i know it is still simulated instrument time, but i don't think that 3hrs counts.
 
BuickCFI said:
i disagree that the 3hrs from pvt training count because you don't need to be an II to give the training, it has to do with the verbage of it. i know it is still simulated instrument time, but i don't think that 3hrs counts.
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I thought only 15hrs of the mandated 40 needs to be with a II....:confused:
 
av8or91 said:
I know you need 50 hours of PIC x/c and 40 hours of instrument time 15 with a double eye.
1. Can the instrument time from your private count towards that 25 hours without a double eye?
Regulation says a total of 40 hours so that is why I am confused.
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The instrument time from your private counts toward the 40 hour total, but does not count toward the 15 with the II.

If you look at the reg, all it says is "A total of 40 hours of actual or simulated instrument time" doing certain things. Except for the subset of 15, it doesn't specify "instrument training," so it can be with a CFI, with a one-I, or with a plain ordinary private pilot acting as your safety pilot.

But those hours you trained for the private don't count toward the 15 hours of "instrument training." That's because, if you look at the private pilot requirement, it doesn't say "instrument training." "Instrument training" is one of those special phrases in Part 61. It pretty much means with an instrument instructor.
2. Can you get that instrument time while on your x/c flights?
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Yes. It's just "40 hours of actual or simulated instrument time." They don't have to be local flights.

If you're asking whether you can count them toward the 50 hours cross country PIC time required, the answer is also yes.The PIC time in 61.65(d)(1) is plain old ordinary "logged" PIC under 61.51(e) - sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft you are rated for.
 
Lots of confusion, so I will try to simplify:

A. Solo XC time from your student pilot days counts as PIC XC
B. Any XC you did after your Private in a Single Engine Land Airplane counts as PIC XC
C. Any simulated or actual instrument you did while working on Private counts towards the 40 hours of instrument, but NOT the 15 hours of instruction, unless your Private instructor was also a CFII
D. You may log PIC, XC, and Sim. Instrument while flying under the hood with a safety pilot. This counts towards the 40 hours of instrument time.
 
see that is why i shouldn't post at 130am, i was 1/2 right because i didn't fully explain it.
 
While we are on the subject of instrument rating, I have a question.

My currency runs out next week. All I need to do is a hold for right now. Since I am current, does that hold need to be in simulated IFR? I wouldnt think it would have to be, but I'm just checking.
 
dahhcon said:
While we are on the subject of instrument rating, I have a question.

My currency runs out next week. All I need to do is a hold for right now. Since I am current, does that hold need to be in simulated IFR? I wouldnt think it would have to be, but I'm just checking.
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Actual or simulated.
 
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