Instrument Oral Prep
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ComplexHiAv8r
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I just bought the ASA book for $5 and read it. Know it and you will do fine.
kellwolf
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Well, if you were in Dallas, I'd say swing by the crashpad. We've grilled two guys on instrument oral prep (using the PTS instead of the oral guide from ASA) in the past week. One of them had a short oral b/c the DE basically gave up on trying to stump him, and I think the other guy is gonna do about the same thing.
If you can survive an oral prep session with me and John H, you can handle a DE.
If you can survive an oral prep session with me and John H, you can handle a DE.
mavsfflife
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Sounds like fun, I have an instrument ride coming up at Addison. I actually used the ASA book as well.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Depends on the examiner. We've got a couple that pull out the PTS and say things like "Tell me about weather" or "Tell me about flight instruments." It's a double edged sword, though. If they want you to be more clear on a topic, they'll generally ask you more focused questions. The downside is that if you mention something you're not sure of, they'll dive after it like a shark in a feeding fenzy.
The ASA oral guide for the instrument rating is okay, but I know a couple of examiners that don't like the canned answers if the student just gives them the answer from there verbatim. They might know the answer, but they might not know WHY it's the answer. Sorta like just memorizing the answers on the written from the Gleim books. ASA oral prep guides past the instrument, for me at least, were totally useless. The Commercial oral guide and CFI oral guides actually have info in them that is conflicting with the AFM. Conflicting info in an FAA publication is a sure way to get the examiner or inspectors eyebrows to go up and ask more questions. Then again, I managed to argue with an inspector and prove my point with the AFM. My CFII oral stopped at that point.....
I'd rather just use the PTS to make sure all the topics possible are covered and make it a tad bit harder than I know the examiner is gonna be. I'd rather my student come out of his examiner's oral saying "That was a breeze" than "Man, I just barely passed."
The ASA oral guide for the instrument rating is okay, but I know a couple of examiners that don't like the canned answers if the student just gives them the answer from there verbatim. They might know the answer, but they might not know WHY it's the answer. Sorta like just memorizing the answers on the written from the Gleim books. ASA oral prep guides past the instrument, for me at least, were totally useless. The Commercial oral guide and CFI oral guides actually have info in them that is conflicting with the AFM. Conflicting info in an FAA publication is a sure way to get the examiner or inspectors eyebrows to go up and ask more questions. Then again, I managed to argue with an inspector and prove my point with the AFM. My CFII oral stopped at that point.....
I'd rather just use the PTS to make sure all the topics possible are covered and make it a tad bit harder than I know the examiner is gonna be. I'd rather my student come out of his examiner's oral saying "That was a breeze" than "Man, I just barely passed."
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Depends on the examiner. We've got a couple that pull out the PTS and say things like "Tell me about weather" or "Tell me about flight instruments." It's a double edged sword, though. If they want you to be more clear on a topic, they'll generally ask you more focused questions. The downside is that if you mention something you're not sure of, they'll dive after it like a shark in a feeding fenzy.
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Yeah, I don't much care for the guys that are too general. When giving prep, I try to ask a more focused question such as "if planning a flight, what kind of WX resources would you likely use, and what kind of WX charts and reports are out there that you could use?" Name some big ones and basically describe them, or I'll show a chart or SA report and have them point out some basics. If there's something they don't know (and if I was the examiner), I'd still make it a learning session and teach them something, pending they had a good baseline knowlege. To me, it's not all about evaluation and nothing else.
Depends on the examiner. We've got a couple that pull out the PTS and say things like "Tell me about weather" or "Tell me about flight instruments." It's a double edged sword, though. If they want you to be more clear on a topic, they'll generally ask you more focused questions. The downside is that if you mention something you're not sure of, they'll dive after it like a shark in a feeding fenzy.
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Yeah, I don't much care for the guys that are too general. When giving prep, I try to ask a more focused question such as "if planning a flight, what kind of WX resources would you likely use, and what kind of WX charts and reports are out there that you could use?" Name some big ones and basically describe them, or I'll show a chart or SA report and have them point out some basics. If there's something they don't know (and if I was the examiner), I'd still make it a learning session and teach them something, pending they had a good baseline knowlege. To me, it's not all about evaluation and nothing else.
mavsfflife
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Good job man, my IR checkride is Wednesday.