Instrument Checkride Approach ?

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Folks, anyone know what's the number of *minimum* approaches as REQUIRED by the FAA during an instrument rating checkride in an airplane with a designated examiner?


My understanding is 2 nonprecission and 1 precision... so a VOR approach, LOC approach, and an ILS approach meets the requirements??
 
The whole LOC, VOR thing depends on the DE. Some dont care while others would like to see different systems be used. Like a VOR and GPS, or VOR and NBD approach. It would also depend on equipment.

I have seen DE's make students re do the IR XC because they don't consider VOR and LOC approaches to be different.
 
I did, and hence my understanding that 2 nonprecisision and 1 precision approaches are required... so a total of three approaches.

I'm looking to see if someone else concurs, or maybe I'm wrong.
 
Champcar said:
The whole LOC, VOR thing depends on the DE. Some dont care while others would like to see different systems be used. Like a VOR and GPS, or VOR and NBD approach. It would also depend on equipment.

I have seen DE's make students re do the IR XC because they don't consider VOR and LOC approaches to be different.
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I would have a serious problem with the DE then...how is an NDB different, if they are saying that a VOR and LOC are the same? It all boils down to a heading to fly, and altitudes to maintain, or descent rates...how can they say a LOC and VOR are the same??? Not shooting the messenger, but that's kinda ridiculous...
 
Well, not trying to be a jerk, but that's where the answer is, in black and white. :)

But yes, a VOR, LOC, and ILS does meet the requirements as far as I know. What if you're flying an airplane with no GPS and no ADF?
 
Stone Cold said:
I would have a serious problem with the DE then...how is an NDB different, if they are saying that a VOR and LOC are the same? It all boils down to a heading to fly, and altitudes to maintain, or descent rates...how can they say a LOC and VOR are the same??? Not shooting the messenger, but that's kinda ridiculous...
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I know its dumb. But we have had some problems here in PHX with it and it has happened.
 
Did mine in November and we did a VOR, LOC-DME, and ILS. The VOR was actually a VOR-A which we used for the circling approach down to a full stop. If I'm not mistaken, you must circle on one of the approaches.
 
Also, if your plane is equipped with GPS and Auto-pilot you can probably expect to do an auto-pilot coupled GPS approach.
Yes, 2 non precision and 1 precision for the checkride.
 
Does ASR Approach count as one of the 3 different IAs for the IFR XC?
I don't think you're required to do circling on any of them!
 
VDEE7 said:
Does ASR Approach count as one of the 3 different IAs for the IFR XC?
I don't think you're required to do circling on any of them!
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ASR and PARs dont count from what i've been told, because you arent using navigational aids. The GCA controller is using his radar and telling you what to do, so it doesnt count.

Also on the GPS remark, i believe if you have an approach certified GPS the PTS wording is SHALL demonstrate a GPS approach. Same if you have an autopilot, you SHALL demonstrate a coupled approach.
 
The FARs only said 3 different instrument approaches, ASRs and PARs are categorized as instrument approaches, You're not using NAVAIDS but you're flying by instrument references! What do you guys think?
 
The DE for my instument check ride had me do 3 approaches to the same airport. An ILS to one runway; a VOR to another runway; and finally a VOR (partial panel) to another runway.

HS
 
VDEE7 said:
The FARs only said 3 different instrument approaches, ASRs and PARs are categorized as instrument approaches, You're not using NAVAIDS but you're flying by instrument references! What do you guys think?
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I think that the FAR actually says, "Three different kinds of approaches with the use of navigation systems. and that casey is exactly right.

That's for the cross country. For the checkride, check out the IR PTS (what a concept!!!). It will make clear what is required by way of the approaches and what systems need to be used. I'm not sure how you can be confused after reading it.
 
Okay...went and referenced the PTS--at the beginning in the rating task table there is a note: Except as noted, all TASKs are required for initial issuance of an instrument rating. Now, we move back to the approach procedures in section VI under Task A: Nonprecision instrument approach....the last sentence under the note says "The examiner shall select two nonprecision approaches utilizing different approach systems." Then Task B: Precision ILS instrument approach. Task B doesn't specify a number but since all task are required, you will be expected to do one at least. That adds up to your 3 total so that shall be the minimum. With the verbage of shall...means you will, so I can positively say I concur--2 nonprecision and 1 precision. I won't debate whether or not they should/should not do a LOC and VOR.
I may stand corrected on the GPS thing....I was certain that I read somewhere...might have been a special interest item for the FAA with the popularity of GPS approaches that the Anchorage area FSDO might have been pushing these more during checkrides for applicants with approach certified GPS's....but, none the less....if the plane is equipped, the examiner is fully authorized to ask you to demonstrate it whether you've done them or not.

Pac Man
 
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