Inputting times on AirlineApps.com

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kr575m

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I'm filling out an application on AirlineApps.com and I a little confused on
what they are looking for. The section that asks to enter times per aircraft.

The 3 columns that apply are:

C172

PIC (not including instruction given) - 53
Instructor Time - 186
Dual/Stud Time - 82

It then takes the three figures and combines them for total time. This number is not accurate. There are times when I received dual that are PIC and times when it was not PIC. The dual shouldn't be added to the total time, but I don't want to leave it blank on the app. Anyone else had this problem? Suggestions?
 
I'd subtract any "dual" out of your PIC time. For the purposes of most airline applications, they'll most likely consider the IP to be PIC.
 
They do not want you to count any time as PIC unless you were in fact the PIC(solo, or flying without an instructor).
 
Subtract both your dual received and your dual given from your PIC column.

Input dual received and dual given, and the remaining PIC into the columns and it will give you a good total value.
 
That would mean that for the C172 for example I would have negetive 29 hours PIC, that can't be right? I've flown it more with an instructor than I have solo.


PIC (not including instruction given) - 53
Instructor Time - 186
Dual/Stud Time - 82
 
kr575m said:
That would mean that for the C172 for example I would have negetive 29 hours PIC, that can't be right? I've flown it more with an instructor than I have solo.


PIC (not including instruction given) - 53
Instructor Time - 186
Dual/Stud Time - 82
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"Technically" only your solo time is PIC when you're getting instruction received per Part 1. Part 1 is more applicable in certain instances and contracdicts part 61, which is more applicable in other instances.

Now then, what I did and to make it more consistent with my logbook (DL uses airline apps):

For all light non-turbine aircraft, the only dual/stud time I put in was what was leftover after my instructor time and PIC were added together. That was my non-rated PIC time.

For other larger aircraft, I reverted to the Part 1 definition.

Be consistant, and be able to justify your methods. The DL interviewers were more than happy with my methods (if it's not obvious).




OK, so if you were to log your time as per part 1, only your solo time and dual given time would be PIC. The numbers that you have written there don't give enough info- you'd have to reference your logbook for times solo, IF you wanted to log it as per part 1.

For light aircraft, again, the part 61 method is typically more applicable as a logging method.


Clear as mud?
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
"Technically" only your solo time is PIC when you're getting instruction received per Part 1. Part 1 is more applicable in certain instances and contracdicts part 61, which is more applicable in other instances.

Now then, what I did and to make it more consistent with my logbook (DL uses airline apps):

For all light non-turbine aircraft, the only dual/stud time I put in was what was leftover after my instructor time and PIC were added together. That was my non-rated PIC time.

For other larger aircraft, I reverted to the Part 1 definition.

Be consistant, and be able to justify your methods. The DL interviewers were more than happy with my methods (if it's not obvious).




OK, so if you were to log your time as per part 1, only your solo time and dual given time would be PIC. The numbers that you have written there don't give enough info- you'd have to reference your logbook for times solo, IF you wanted to log it as per part 1.

For light aircraft, again, the part 61 method is typically more applicable as a logging method.


Clear as mud?
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How do you "log it as per part 1"? Where in Part 1 does it discuss logging flight time? It doesn't--the only place it's brought up is in 61.51, which states one may log the time as PIC so long as they are the sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which they're rated (and in a handfull of other cases). Really PIC time doesn't mean anything and has nothing to do with whether or not you're PIC. However, airlineapps.com and the airlines define PIC time differently than the FAA does, so that's the confusing as hell part of it. How does one keep their numbers straight? Well, I have two separate columns in my electronic logbook for PIC time. One is my "sole manipulator" time, the other is my "signed for the airplane" column. IMO, the FAA's definition of "PIC time" is worthless and should be changed to another term (the AF uses the term "primary" time to show that you happened to be the PF, which has nothing to do with being "in command").
 
kr575m said:
That would mean that for the C172 for example I would have negetive 29 hours PIC, that can't be right? I've flown it more with an instructor than I have solo.


PIC (not including instruction given) - 53
Instructor Time - 186
Dual/Stud Time - 82
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Any time that was with an instructor is dual. Any time you weren't recieving or giving instruction would be PIC (assuming that you have no SIC time) and Instructor time would be instructor time.

something like...
PIC-18 (if you were logging, but not acting PIC then it comes out)
Inst TIme- 186
Dual -82
This all would equal 286 total in a 172. If it is marked as dual or instructor in your logbook, then it is not PIC (on airline apps)
 
If your doing it for American Eagle ...... good luck! haha. I was hired there in spring 2008- and with the hiring that's going to "Start" - I still haven't heard anything from anybody and Ive sent back a few emails to the C person in the training department.
 
germb747 said:
How do you "log it as per part 1"? Where in Part 1 does it discuss logging flight time? It doesn't--the only place it's brought up is in 61.51, which states one may log the time as PIC so long as they are the sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which they're rated (and in a handfull of other cases). Really PIC time doesn't mean anything and has nothing to do with whether or not you're PIC. However, airlineapps.com and the airlines define PIC time differently than the FAA does, so that's the confusing as hell part of it. How does one keep their numbers straight? Well, I have two separate columns in my electronic logbook for PIC time. One is my "sole manipulator" time, the other is my "signed for the airplane" column. IMO, the FAA's definition of "PIC time" is worthless and should be changed to another term (the AF uses the term "primary" time to show that you happened to be the PF, which has nothing to do with being "in command").
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Part 1 definition is commander of record.

part 61 is sole manipulator, as you have broken down.


Some companies look for one, some look for another... some don't care.
 
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