Cherokee_Cruiser
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For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) 3 hours in a multiengine airplane in preparation for the practical test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight with a traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
My questions:
First of all, if I did my math right, you need 20 hours from part (3) and 10 hours from part (4). So does that mean you have to log at least 30 hours in a multi engine aircraft for the initial commercial ?
Next, my question is about the second bolded portion. It says 10 hours of solo time, or 10 hours of "flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor"
------> How can you act PIC unless you're got the appropriate category/rating? Here, you're getting your initial commercial in a multi engine, but how can you act PIC on these multi engine flights of 300 NM X-Country, and 5 hours at night?
I was under the impression that unless you take a checkride in that multi engine aircraft, you cannot log PIC time? Not even "PIC-Dual Received." I would think this is just "Dual Received." ?????
(Most FBOs will NOT let you fly solo in their multi engine aircraft unless you have really really high time (Several hundred hours, like 500 hours+ and about 25+ hours in type). They always require some sort of safety pilot/instructor, so you're no longer technically on a solo flight).
Can anyone please clear it all up ?
Thanks !
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) 3 hours in a multiengine airplane in preparation for the practical test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight with a traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
My questions:
First of all, if I did my math right, you need 20 hours from part (3) and 10 hours from part (4). So does that mean you have to log at least 30 hours in a multi engine aircraft for the initial commercial ?
Next, my question is about the second bolded portion. It says 10 hours of solo time, or 10 hours of "flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor"
------> How can you act PIC unless you're got the appropriate category/rating? Here, you're getting your initial commercial in a multi engine, but how can you act PIC on these multi engine flights of 300 NM X-Country, and 5 hours at night?
I was under the impression that unless you take a checkride in that multi engine aircraft, you cannot log PIC time? Not even "PIC-Dual Received." I would think this is just "Dual Received." ?????
(Most FBOs will NOT let you fly solo in their multi engine aircraft unless you have really really high time (Several hundred hours, like 500 hours+ and about 25+ hours in type). They always require some sort of safety pilot/instructor, so you're no longer technically on a solo flight).
Can anyone please clear it all up ?
Thanks !
