In your opinion how is the pay scale.

acbrown03

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I have been going through the many different post and it seems that no one can completely answer this long lost question. IS THE PAY SCALE GOOD. Some say it sucks and some say its wonderful. What should the starting salary be. What was it like before the changes took place. I spent a good part of the night reading the many of posts and it really seems the FAA has really shafted alot of the older controllers and now making me wonder if they treated there top controllers like that how are they going to treat the noobs. :panic:
 
let me put you it this way, if you come to a atc-12 facility youll be making 50% less than an old times for working the same traffic, and your pay will never get to our level.those working crappy jobs may think the pay is good but give them a fews years of working busy complex traffic 6 days a week and not being to get time off , they will be the first ones bitchig about being under payed and over worked.if yoyr going to signe up for second class pay and working conditions, thats all the FAA is going to give you
 
queeno sounds like a dip##### who didnt get selected for ATC and now goes around in everyones forum saying " PAY SUCKS YOUR A SUCKER IF YOU TRY TO BE AN ATC", when hes not one and never has been.
 
queeno sounds like a dip##### who didnt get selected for ATC and now goes around in everyones forum saying " PAY SUCKS YOUR A SUCKER IF YOU TRY TO BE AN ATC", when hes not one and never has been.

But he speaks the truth, and I was selected for ATC 23 years ago and have ONLY worked level 12 facilities my whole career. The NEW pay scale does SUCK and if you like being treated like a 5 year old, 6 days a week 10 hours a day by all means, go to Embry Riddle pay 100k spend 4 years of your life being told that CTI school is the ONLY way to get in the FFA. Then watch as some kid from Domino's is sitting next to, as YOU work HIS hand-off and he is making the same pay.

Now who's the Sucker???
 
ATLTRACON..you have posted some really good info on this site. I on the other hand, have only posted one item. I am not a current or past air traffic controller, but aspire to be one. But, lets keep things in perspective:

I have done a tremendous amount of research on current and past issues with the FAA, to include pay, advancement, management, and the like. We ALL agree...the FAA is really screwing the pooch right now. However, something we do disagree on is that people go their own way. You did, and the next guy will too. We all make foolish decisions at times. Did the guy need to go to ERAU? Probably not. But he/she got a degree in something they really liked and interested them. The cost of attendance is another matter completely.

It seems your are bent on keeping people from entering this career. I realize you are just trying to provide the "warning signs" to us all, and believe me, we all respect and appreciate your efforts. However, people will still need to manage traffic. I believe if all wanna-be controllers stopped the hiring process voluntarily b/c of the current a**job by the FAA, the government would only impose current more crappy schedules etc. I believe this needs to be handled by NATCA and lobbyists. NATCA has said on numerous occasions that is will avoid a strike at all costs. Simply telling prospective controllers to not get into the career b/c of the situation is not helpful. Again, we all must go our own way. Just my two cents.
 
ATLTRACON..you have posted some really good info on this site. I on the other hand, have only posted one item. I am not a current or past air traffic controller, but aspire to be one. But, lets keep things in perspective:

I have done a tremendous amount of research on current and past issues with the FAA, to include pay, advancement, management, and the like. We ALL agree...the FAA is really screwing the pooch right now. However, something we do disagree on is that people go their own way. You did, and the next guy will too. We all make foolish decisions at times. Did the guy need to go to ERAU? Probably not. But he/she got a degree in something they really liked and interested them Hope it was worth 100k. Might be useful if you went to Baghdad ARTCC (good pay by the way...like 150k tax free) . The cost of attendance is another matter completely.

It seems your are bent on keeping people from entering this career come on in the waters fine. We could really use you. I just hope that you don't mind being treated like some guys B...h. Makes you fell reaaaaaaaaal good when they are more concerned with the length and color of your socks (and send you home to change them) instead of the fact we are 6 people short for a thunderstorm night shift.. I realize you are just trying to provide the "warning signs" to us all, and believe me, we all respect and appreciate your efforts. However, people will still need to manage traffic not according to Marion Blakey and her puppets. Don't forget that our illustrious past Admin. said ANYBODY could do this job and we were like Maytag repairmen. NexGen anyone???. I believe if all wanna-be controllers stopped the hiring process voluntarily b/c of the current a**job by the FAA, the government would only impose current more crappy schedules etc. I believe this needs to be handled by NATCA and lobbyists. NATCA has said on numerous occasions that is will avoid a strike (we are absolutely NOT allowed to strike..though if we did have the right do you think we would be where we are right now???) at all costs. Simply telling prospective controllers to not get into the career b/c of the situation is not helpful. Again, we all must go our own way. Just my two cents.

ALL of my posts have been just that....warnings. Do you really think that anyone is going to listen to me? I know that if I was a young buck wanting to enter ATC, I wouldn't. But, be forewarned. My "warnings" have been more of a question of the sanity of someone who would want to come into the field right now. My concern is that, if you do come in now, and then the situation gets fixed, do you really think the FFA is going to "make things right" with the older new folks?? I can just see it know when they tell you that "I'm sorry that Billy is making 23k more than you, But you knew when you came in that is what you salary range was...so sorry"

Good luck to anyone who wants to do this job, it is;
  1. thrilling/exciting/fast paced/"glamorous" (ya know, when people find out you're the guy with the wands that pull the airplane to the gate and all)
  2. fun
  3. mind numbingly complex
  4. exhausting
  5. a marriage breaker
  6. a widow maker
  7. in a VERY sad state of affairs - I do not think that there has ever been ashamed of who I work for more. Just look at the news the past few days with Southwest/ the NMAC over Cleveland, etc. There will be more and then, and only then, will the public care...when 2 hit. So sad.
Good luck all and study hard, keep your head down in your first facility and be humble. We have too many new CTI smarta$^es walk in the door and think they own the facility.....put in your dues. (must be the generation or something)
 
Well said Sir. We do appreciate your insight and feedback. I, and many others, certainly hope you are wrong. If history is any indicator, you will probably not be. Again, thanks for your comments and discussion. It is appreciated.
 
queeno sounds like a dip##### who didnt get selected for ATC and now goes around in everyones forum saying " PAY SUCKS YOUR A SUCKER IF YOU TRY TO BE AN ATC", when hes not one and never has been.

oh yea , would you like to bet $10,000 at how long ive been a controller and where i work, come on put you money were your mouth is. and yes if you going to settle for second class pay and work rules dont except the FED to to treat you well.i didnt say dont take the job but if you do you have no right to complain about the pay and work rules or the training process or your treatment etc.all you are is a number the FAA can use in front of congress to show how good there little sham is working,and there are plenty of numbers behind you to take your place if they decide to get rid of you.
 
It's a ridiculous attempt at paying professionals.

Don't do it.

queeno sounds like a dip##### who didnt get selected for ATC and now goes around in everyones forum saying " PAY SUCKS YOUR A SUCKER IF YOU TRY TO BE AN ATC", when hes not one and never has been.

Oh Child. That's no way to speak to a staple of our National Airspace System.

Your ignorance has no place here. Wise up.
 
It's a ridiculous attempt at paying professionals.

Don't do it.



Oh Child. That's no way to speak to a staple of our National Airspace System.

Your ignorance has not place here. Wise up.

surreal, i like you dude, your like finger nails on a chalk board, and thats what it takes to be a controller, not a sheep (but we would have to break you down and build you back up, but you were in the military so you know the drill)good luck on that pilot thing your doing.
 
ATLTRACON-
I agree there is something about this generation (of which i am apart) that feels like they are owed something. It bothers me to NO END! We don't want to work like our parents (or more appropriatly our grandparents) did. I don't know what made us this way, but I will tell you this, those people that come into this, or any field where seniority is key, will fail miserably. I just hope there are enough of us that realize the need to work and "put in our dues." I know I have a hard time ahead of me, not just the stress of the job, but the stress of working with people who have a preconcieved notion of my additude and work ethic. Not a problem really...must be the generation or something :)
 
queeno sounds like a dip##### who didnt get selected for ATC and now goes around in everyones forum saying " PAY SUCKS YOUR A SUCKER IF YOU TRY TO BE AN ATC", when hes not one and never has been.

Obviously you really don't understand the situation that the nation's air traffic system is in right now if you actually believe this. First of all, queeno can't be that much of a "dip#####" if he's not a controller, considering that the FAA is pretty much hiring anyone and everyone who's breathing. The job is everything that ATL TRACON says it is...I've watched since 2006 my father become more like a zombie than the fun loving man, who loved his job (would come home from work to play ATC simulator for hours), and had time to spend with his children, helping them through aviation training...Now when he's not at work he's literally either eating or sleeping off the exhaustion (cause forget those 15 minute breaks every two hours).

On the topic of CTI school, why in the world would you go and get a degree that is useless anywhere but the FAA? Great you went and paid $40,000+ to learn absolutely nothing about ATC, unless you're learning from an actual controller, which most programs don't offer, you have no idea what is going on and are in the same boat as the guy hired from Facebook who doesn't know how to run non-radar either...coming from a CTI school where the director of the CTI program informed me that my father had no business letting me read "that book", in referrence to the 7110, and where weather was taught by a flight instructor more interested in chatting with the plane obsessed student in the first row it occured to me that I was wasting my money on something that I could be hired for free of charge.

In essence, those who don't think ATC is all that bad right now with its authoritarian management and ridiculous work rules wreaking havoc on the lives of the controllers, or think its a neat major to have in college, think about the fact that you'll initially be making less than a Wendy's employee and then come talk to me about the new pay scale. In the mean time quit drinking the kool-aid.
 
Obviously you really don't understand the situation that the nation's air traffic system is in right now if you actually believe this. First of all, queeno can't be that much of a "dip#####" if he's not a controller, considering that the FAA is pretty much hiring anyone and everyone who's breathing. The job is everything that ATL TRACON says it is...I've watched since 2006 my father become more like a zombie than the fun loving man, who loved his job (would come home from work to play ATC simulator for hours), and had time to spend with his children, helping them through aviation training...Now when he's not at work he's literally either eating or sleeping off the exhaustion (cause forget those 15 minute breaks every two hours).

On the topic of CTI school, why in the world would you go and get a degree that is useless anywhere but the FAA? Great you went and paid $40,000+ to learn absolutely nothing about ATC, unless you're learning from an actual controller, which most programs don't offer, you have no idea what is going on and are in the same boat as the guy hired from Facebook who doesn't know how to run non-radar either...coming from a CTI school where the director of the CTI program informed me that my father had no business letting me read "that book", in referrence to the 7110, and where weather was taught by a flight instructor more interested in chatting with the plane obsessed student in the first row it occured to me that I was wasting my money on something that I could be hired for free of charge.

In essence, those who don't think ATC is all that bad right now with its authoritarian management and ridiculous work rules wreaking havoc on the lives of the controllers, or think its a neat major to have in college, think about the fact that you'll initially be making less than a Wendy's employee and then come talk to me about the new pay scale. In the mean time quit drinking the kool-aid.

YOU GO GIRL, NOW THATS WHAT IAM TALKEN ABOUT.funny things is nubees is that she is very very very right. but youll all see in time.
 
surreal, i like you dude, your like finger nails on a chalk board, and thats what it takes to be a controller, not a sheep (but we would have to break you down and build you back up, but you were in the military so you know the drill)good luck on that pilot thing your doing.

Just bothers me man.

For years I wanted nothing more but to be a controller.

I watched CSPAN during the vote (what two years ago?) and to see it come down with less than 2/3rd majority. . .I was devastated.

I'm sorry, it was a little about the money for me. I wasn't going to subject myself to a career that was going to treat me like crap, without being rewarded for it and being able to have a lifestyle I wanted. That lifestyle was not going to be available for 30-40% less than what I was expecting to make.

So - I tossed the towel in. I still support NATCA as an associate member, and will continue to support them for the rest of my life.

You guys got it rough, and the new pride of ignorant kiddies wanting to rule the skies are giving you guys nothing but trouble.

I'm going to be scared ####-less when I'm up in the flight levels and these kids can't do radar worth a ####, much less non-radar.

You guys have your hands full. Give them the best training you guys can, and then leave. Enjoy your retirement. :)
 
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