In Cockpit Video of Near Miss and Parachute Deloy
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meritflyer
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.. kinda like the north practice area of Phoenix.
Scary..
Scary..
TFaudree_ERAU
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I loved the quote of the Cirrus pilot. "I got the plane under control..." then, "I would have had no choice but to land it..."
Um...did I misunderstand? Under control, but couldn't land it? I'm sorry, but does anyone see a contradiction here? In my opinion, Cirrus pilots are far too reliant on "the chute".
Um...did I misunderstand? Under control, but couldn't land it? I'm sorry, but does anyone see a contradiction here? In my opinion, Cirrus pilots are far too reliant on "the chute".
ComplexHiAv8r
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OK, I will disagree on your Cirrus Pilot Comment. Yes, I agree with the contradition. I will say that proper training in the Cirrus would indicate when to use the chute. I believe that some pilots are using the chute as the first option, not the last option. My goal is to NEVER get to that last option. If I do, I will not hestiate pulling the chute!
My .02
#1 I'd say so. He lost a thousand feet was probably spinning out of control.
#2 Under control once he stopped that. I doubt he meant 'control' in the sense flying straight and level with no issues.
#3 No contradiction here that I can see.
#4 That's great, but this is one pilot we are talking about here in the story. What would you have done? Landed with parts missing from your wing and risked it or deployed the chute knowing it's success rate? I agree that some may push the envelope as far as flying skills because of the chute, but in this instance with losing wing parts he was justified in the chute.
Timbuff10
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Does the chute on the Cirrus have the ability to cut-away?
They should put that in the PTS now... Be able to deploy the chute, cut-away, and then recover maintaining +/-10 degrees of heading and minimal loss of altitude. Anyone ever seen the Army's Golden Knights patented cut-away maneuver? Pretty sweet stuff!
Seriously, when a chute is deployed is it a big deal to get the plane airworthy again or is it pretty much done at that point?
They should put that in the PTS now... Be able to deploy the chute, cut-away, and then recover maintaining +/-10 degrees of heading and minimal loss of altitude. Anyone ever seen the Army's Golden Knights patented cut-away maneuver? Pretty sweet stuff!
Seriously, when a chute is deployed is it a big deal to get the plane airworthy again or is it pretty much done at that point?
ComplexHiAv8r
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BrianNC
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I read an article in this month's AOPA I believe by Rod Machado where he talks about the decision on when you are going to deploy the chute should be made before an incident ever happens. That way it is already thought out and when the time comes, there should be no hesitation about at what point you should or would deploy the chute.
BrianNC
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He also discusses the "slippery slope" of having a parachute.
"This then leads to our next question. 'Will you be more likely to take risks in an airplane equipped with a parachute?'
Your first response will probably be, 'I wouldn't do that.' Welcome to the slippery slope."
TFaudree_ERAU
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I assume this is the NTSB report of the said accident. If so, I retract my previous statements.
BrianNC
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Yeah. In the video he said he had lost part of a wing.
TFaudree_ERAU
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In all honesty, thats a little vague. I lost part of a wing once too; a screw out of the nav light cap.
Champcar
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South is WAY worse, you put your life on the line everytime you goto Casa Grande.
MSUDAWG
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I feel sorry for that poor airplane...That thing has been to hell and then went back to hell on a return trip. I googled the tail number on that aircraft (N1223S) and 2 years after this guy pulled the chute it was involved in ANOTHER accident and it killed one guy and seriously injured another. I guess that airplane was destined to not fly long! 
ComplexHiAv8r
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I feel sorry for that poor airplane...That thing has been to hell and then went back to hell on a return trip. I googled the tail number on that aircraft (N1223S) and 2 years after this guy pulled the chute it was involved in ANOTHER accident and it killed one guy and seriously injured another. I guess that airplane was destined to not fly long!
Sure it was the same serial number aircraft with that tail number? I didn't think any Cirrus aircraft after a chute deployment have been made airworthy again. Only parted out.
Champcar
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I think Cirrus bought one back to restore for its own use.
MSUDAWG
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Im not too sure.....but it had the same tail number, could be a different plane though
Italianaviator
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I talked to the Cirrus representative at the NBAA conference in Orlando last month and he stated that once the shoot is pulled the aircraft is totalled and no longer flyable. A factor that the insurance companies don't like either.
GatorFC
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MSUDAWG may be right. If you go here http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp
and type in that N number, two different incidents show up, and if you click on the "Factual" PDF, they both have the same serial number.
10/03/2002 incident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=FTW03LA005&rpt=fa
09/10/2004 incident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=CHI04FA255&rpt=fa
and type in that N number, two different incidents show up, and if you click on the "Factual" PDF, they both have the same serial number.
10/03/2002 incident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=FTW03LA005&rpt=fa
09/10/2004 incident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=CHI04FA255&rpt=fa