Imminent Strike at G4
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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You and I both know the answer to that.
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
Not sure how many items, 4 sections were TA'd which I believe include Medical Insurance, Training, Definitions, and I'm not sure the last one.
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
I do know the term and I suspect you didn't read what I typed... look at it again.... "guess" is the key word as I did not have any information in front of me and was spit-balling... I'd say it would be a fairly accurate valuation if the planes stop flying.
A guess.... like I typed. English proficient much?
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
What did you really expect? Why do I owe you an explanation? I made a statement that was clear and concise.
You don't owe me crap.
You said ALGT is overvalued.
I asked on what basis and you asked me if I was english proficient.
You obviously have more at stake with this and are taking my comments too seriously.
I'm an outsider looking in that knows how to read a balance sheet and my interest lies with my colleagues that may be affected by this strike.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Very odd that they'd TA Definitions before closing out everything else. You never know when you might need to add a term.
Avalon781ML
Well-Known Member
Indeed.... it also keeps MGT from changing "interpretations" of terms within the contract. The base I am assigned to has had 4 names in just as many months because the rules they set for themselves weren't "flexible" enough for what they want to do... change the base name, change the rules pertaining to the base, and VOILA! problem fixed.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
And I'd say you should stick to flying airplanes.
Eagle421flyer
Well-Known Member
Any word on how it's going today? Pulling for you guys!
planejay
Well-Known Member
nothing yet, they have only been in the hearing for an hour or so.
scooter2525
Very well Member
So.. no news is good news?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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scooter2525
Very well Member
I kinda figured. Just trying to be optimistic.What do you think?
They're back in court next week. No strike for now.
HVYMETALDRVR
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Here's a bit from the latest update, next meeting is Wednesday at 0900.
"On Friday, your union and the company appeared before Judge Gordon in the matter regarding the 10-day Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) that was issued by Judge Navarro on April 1.
...The judge started out with some preliminary thoughts on where he felt the issues stood. One of the statements he made was that he was separating our other filings from what he saw as the narrow issue of the TRO. On the issue of the company giving false testimony in the first trial, the judge stated that he took that very seriously and would be scheduling a separate hearing in the very near future. Judge Gordon stated that if the allegation were found to be true, he would be “very troubled” adding that he might very well amend his orders from the first trial, ordering an immediate reinstatement of line bidding, regardless of whether the company was prepared to do so or not.
Judge Gordon stated that the issue before him on Friday was: did we have a status quo violation that constituted a “Major Dispute” of what he casually called the “new status quo” based upon his July 22 ruling.
Of the three allegations made in our response to Allegiants’ TRO request, the judge stated that of the three, two would constitute a major dispute. The judge explicitly stated that, if the court finds the allegations true, the law would allow us to engage in self-help to restore status quo, this of course is contrary the company’s continued insistence in both court filings and media statements that any such “status quo” strike would be illegal.
After the first break, the company came back and offered to “voluntarily” restore participation of the Scheduling Committee and to remove the CBI. This was a hollow offer because as you know it is the “Mavis solver”, the “black-box” if you will, and its vertical solving that is responsible for creating our schedules. And it is the awarding or building of our schedules that Judge Gordon ordered to better honor seniority and be more transparent and predictable. The Mavis solver is nothing more than an engine designed by the company to schedule pilots in the most optimized fashion, while wholesale, disregarding seniority and transparency.
The judge pushed both sides to enter into an agreement to remove the possible strike-action. Your union did make a counter to the company that was flatly rejected, and the judge ordered the beginning of an evidentiary hearing, (as required in a TRO) which started at around 2:00 p.m.
The company put on its first witness, Mr. Bricker, who spent hours on the stand. Your union counsel didn’t finish cross-examination until 5:30 pm.
At that time we had to speak schedules with the judge. We told him that we thought the TRO expired Friday night and that we were free to strike at that time. The judge stated he had the ability to extend the TRO for 14 days under rule 65. We have agreed not to conduct a strike until the conclusion of the hearing. We then spent several hours at the Urban Law office with attorney Ed Gleason...
The testimony will continue on Wednesday beginning at 9:00 a.m. at the Federal Courthouse, 333 South Las Vegas Blvd.
Thanks to all who turned out to show support for your union!"
"On Friday, your union and the company appeared before Judge Gordon in the matter regarding the 10-day Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) that was issued by Judge Navarro on April 1.
...The judge started out with some preliminary thoughts on where he felt the issues stood. One of the statements he made was that he was separating our other filings from what he saw as the narrow issue of the TRO. On the issue of the company giving false testimony in the first trial, the judge stated that he took that very seriously and would be scheduling a separate hearing in the very near future. Judge Gordon stated that if the allegation were found to be true, he would be “very troubled” adding that he might very well amend his orders from the first trial, ordering an immediate reinstatement of line bidding, regardless of whether the company was prepared to do so or not.
Judge Gordon stated that the issue before him on Friday was: did we have a status quo violation that constituted a “Major Dispute” of what he casually called the “new status quo” based upon his July 22 ruling.
Of the three allegations made in our response to Allegiants’ TRO request, the judge stated that of the three, two would constitute a major dispute. The judge explicitly stated that, if the court finds the allegations true, the law would allow us to engage in self-help to restore status quo, this of course is contrary the company’s continued insistence in both court filings and media statements that any such “status quo” strike would be illegal.
After the first break, the company came back and offered to “voluntarily” restore participation of the Scheduling Committee and to remove the CBI. This was a hollow offer because as you know it is the “Mavis solver”, the “black-box” if you will, and its vertical solving that is responsible for creating our schedules. And it is the awarding or building of our schedules that Judge Gordon ordered to better honor seniority and be more transparent and predictable. The Mavis solver is nothing more than an engine designed by the company to schedule pilots in the most optimized fashion, while wholesale, disregarding seniority and transparency.
The judge pushed both sides to enter into an agreement to remove the possible strike-action. Your union did make a counter to the company that was flatly rejected, and the judge ordered the beginning of an evidentiary hearing, (as required in a TRO) which started at around 2:00 p.m.
The company put on its first witness, Mr. Bricker, who spent hours on the stand. Your union counsel didn’t finish cross-examination until 5:30 pm.
At that time we had to speak schedules with the judge. We told him that we thought the TRO expired Friday night and that we were free to strike at that time. The judge stated he had the ability to extend the TRO for 14 days under rule 65. We have agreed not to conduct a strike until the conclusion of the hearing. We then spent several hours at the Urban Law office with attorney Ed Gleason...
The testimony will continue on Wednesday beginning at 9:00 a.m. at the Federal Courthouse, 333 South Las Vegas Blvd.
Thanks to all who turned out to show support for your union!"
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
The only people who wish for a strike are the people who've never seen a real one up close.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
It's one thing to hope that a situation gets solved to the benefit of labor, and to support that cause. It's another thing to wish that a party strikes. As Todd said, anybody who's been up close to one (in any industry, but especially one were seniority isn't portable), wouldn't wish that.