IFR question

[spoolinup22]

Anyone have any good sites, ppts, or hints on teaching students on filing routes? Not how to file (briefer, duats, etc) but what's a good first waypoint.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Anyone have any good sites, ppts, or hints on teaching students on filing routes? Not how to file (briefer, duats, etc) but what's a good first waypoint.

Preferred IFR routes in the AF/D? I usually pick the closest VOR on the airway.

Real-world answer? I look on flight aware to see what the last few clearances were, since odds are, that's what I'm going to get too....

 

[Der_Meister]

Look at the departure procedure.... If none for the airport then the closest fix/VOR to the airport in the direction you are going.

 

[jrh]

In a /G aircraft, direct to the IAF for the approach you're expecting to fly at the destination, or direct to the airport if the weather is VFR there.

On non-/G aircraft, it will depend on the departure procedure and route you're intending to join.

 

[spoolinup22]

In a /G aircraft, direct to the IAF for the approach you're expecting to fly at the destination, or direct to the airport if the weather is VFR there.

On non-/G aircraft, it will depend on the departure procedure and route you're intending to join.

What about in a non-radar environment? Like how would someone know that KMDH doesn't get radar until 3ish, so what if they put RV, something along those lines?

 

[jrh]

What about in a non-radar environment? Like how would someone know that KMDH doesn't get radar until 3ish, so what if they put RV, something along those lines?

I'm not sure why radar vs. non-radar matters. The DP/ODP/standard climb gradients/navaid service volumes define how to maintain obstacle clearance regardless of radar contact.

A person should always plan/file based on the idea they will be out of radar contact the entire flight.

 

[z987k]

fltplan.com will show you the most common filed routes between airports. Once you file it will also show you what ATC's going to give you.
Just last night I filed what looked like the preferred route. Called up clearance, got something entirely different. Scramble to find where the crap these routes are/go, get given other fixes by departure, then with center, before I reach any of the points en-route, was given direct destination.

 

[Inverted25]

fltplan.com will show you the most common filed routes between airports. Once you file it will also show you what ATC's going to give you.
Just last night I filed what looked like the preferred route. Called up clearance, got something entirely different. Scramble to find where the crap these routes are/go, get given other fixes by departure, then with center, before I reach any of the points en-route, was given direct destination.

Fltplan.com is all we use. It shows most recent filed and most recent given by ATC. I just pick the most recent given route

 

[rframe]

just file direct, theyll give u whatever they want anyways
....only sort of

 

[spoolinup22]

just file direct, theyll give u whatever they want anyways
....only sort of

pretty much the truth!

 

[z987k]

just file direct, theyll give u whatever they want anyways
....only sort of

File direct and refuse anything else.

 

[Jet]

Ask ops for the paperwork.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

just file direct, theyll give u whatever they want anyways
....only sort of

Exactly what I do when I am lazy or in a hurry.

 

[spoolinup22]

Okay thanks guys!

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

just file direct, theyll give u whatever they want anyways
....only sort of

In the midwest, I don't think I ever got denied a direct as filed clearance. In the southeast, it wasn't quite as common to get it. I'd imagine in the NE, it's tougher to get direct.

 

[ryan1234]

Fltplan.com is all we use. It shows most recent filed and most recent given by ATC. I just pick the most recent given route

+1

Use the same... it's pretty dead on every time... especially for your specific type of aircraft. They even have all of our canned routes with the TEX2.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

In the midwest, I don't think I ever got denied a direct as filed clearance. In the southeast, it wasn't quite as common to get it. I'd imagine in the NE, it's tougher to get direct.

There's absolutely nothing to hit, airspace or terrain wise, so I'm somehow not surprised. The one time I didn't get "direct destination" out there was when I had to go around ORD.

File direct and refuse anything else.

Not all of us are cool kids with "LIFEGUARD MEDEVAC" in our callsigns.

Fltplan.com is all we use. It shows most recent filed and most recent given by ATC. I just pick the most recent given route

Good idea.

The AIM, by the way, has some pretty specific instructions about flight plan filing. In pertinent part,

b. Airways and Jet Routes Depiction on Flight Plan
1. It is vitally important that the route of flight be accurately and completely described in the flight plan. To simplify definition of the proposed route, and to facilitate ATC, pilots are requested to file via airways or jet routes established for use at the altitude or flight level planned.
2. If flight is to be conducted via designated airways or jet routes, describe the route by indicating the type and number designators of the airway(s) or jet route(s) requested. If more than one airway or jet route is to be used, clearly indicate points of transition. If the transition is made at an unnamed intersection, show the next succeeding NAVAID or named intersection on the intended route and the complete route from that point. Reporting points may be identified by using authorized name/code as depicted on appropriate aeronautical charts. The following two examples illustrate the need to specify the transition point when two routes share more than one transition fix.
EXAMPLE-1. ALB J37 BUMPY J14 BHM
Spelled out: from Albany, New York, via Jet Route 37 transitioning to Jet Route 14 at BUMPY intersection, thence via Jet Route 14 to Birmingham, Alabama.
2. ALB J37 ENO J14 BHM
Spelled out: from Albany, New York, via Jet Route 37 transitioning to Jet Route 14 at Smyrna VORTAC (ENO) thence via Jet Route 14 to Birmingham, Alabama.
3. The route of flight may also be described by naming the reporting points or NAVAIDs over which the flight will pass, provided the points named are established for use at the altitude or flight level planned.
EXAMPLE-
BWI V44 SWANN V433 DQO
Spelled out: from Baltimore‐Washington International, via Victor 44 to Swann intersection, transitioning to Victor 433 at Swann, thence via Victor 433 to Dupont.
4. When the route of flight is defined by named reporting points, whether alone or in combination with airways or jet routes, and the navigational aids (VOR, VORTAC, TACAN, NDB) to be used for the flight are a combination of different types of aids, enough information should be included to clearly indicate the route requested.
EXAMPLE-
LAX J5 LKV J3 GEG YXC FL 330 J500 VLR J515 YWG
Spelled out: from Los Angeles International via Jet Route 5 Lakeview, Jet Route 3 Spokane, direct Cranbrook, British Columbia VOR/DME, Flight Level 330 Jet Route 500 to Langruth, Manitoba VORTAC, Jet Route 515 to Winnepeg, Manitoba.
5. When filing IFR, it is to the pilot's advantage to file a preferred route.
REFERENCE-
Preferred IFR Routes are described and tabulated in the Airport/Facility Directory.
6. ATC may issue a SID or a STAR, as appropriate.
REFERENCE-
AIM, Instrument Departure Procedures (DP) - Obstacle Departure Procedures (ODP) and Standard Instrument Departures (SID), Paragraph 5-2-8.
AIM, Standard Terminal Arrival (STAR), Area Navigation (RNAV) STAR, and Flight Management System Procedures (FMSP) for Arrivals, Paragraph 5-4-1.
NOTE-
Pilots not desiring a SID or STAR should so indicate in the remarks section of the flight plan as “no SID” or “no STAR.”
c. Direct Flights
1. All or any portions of the route which will not be flown on the radials or courses of established airways or routes, such as direct route flights, must be defined by indicating the radio fixes over which the flight will pass. Fixes selected to define the route must be those over which the position of the aircraft can be accurately determined. Such fixes automatically become compulsory reporting points for the flight, unless advised otherwise by ATC. Only those navigational aids established for use in a particular structure; i.e., in the low or high structures, may be used to define the en route phase of a direct flight within that altitude structure.
2. The azimuth feature of VOR aids and that azimuth and distance (DME) features of VORTAC and TACAN aids are assigned certain frequency protected areas of airspace which are intended for application to established airway and route use, and to provide guidance for planning flights outside of established airways or routes. These areas of airspace are expressed in terms of cylindrical service volumes of specified dimensions called “class limits” or “categories.”

Emphasis added. Don't worry, everyone ignores it anyway.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Exactly what I do when I am lazy or in a hurry.

Lost comms, rabble rabble!

 

[unclenobby]

Anyone have any good sites, ppts, or hints on teaching students on filing routes? Not how to file (briefer, duats, etc) but what's a good first waypoint.

TEC routes if below 10K and one is published.