If your large don't fly SWA

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And I don't have a lot of sympathy for this woman. You take up two seats, then you pay for them. If you need two of a product, you need to pay for it, whether it's seats on an airplane, dishes at a restaurant, or rooms at a hotel.

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But with an flight are you paying to get from A to B, or are you paying for the seat from A to B. Because if that is the case, then you should get twice as many airmiles, which most airlines will not permit you to do that, and travel with twice as much luggage - do you get charged tax on both, or is tax per person, what about security fees, etc. Not just that easy.
 
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Notice this woman is crying, and there calling her Fat in front of the entire free world. I refuse to believe this lady could not have been accommodated.

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She was accomodated. According to the "Conditions of Carriage"- a contract between the airline and the customer- that she entered into when she purchased the ticket. Her use of said ticket constitutes implied consent to all the conditions there in. Maybe she should have read it!

Disclaimer: Here comes the grammar police. When I read the topic I was confused at first. It should read "If you're large don't fly SWA..." & "...this woman is crying and they're calling her Fat.."
 
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Well, on a lot of airlines, if you want more space and you want to be able to carry more luggage, guess what you do? You pay for first or business!

It's hard for me to feel too much sympathy for a woman who signs a release to appear on TV and then proceeds to whine and cry. Give me a break, lady!
 
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And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony!
 
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Give me a break, lady!

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Give me a break!
Give me a break!
Break me off a piece of that . . . KIT KAT BAR!

sorry, couldn't resist /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Give me a break, lady!

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Give me a break!
Give me a break!
Break me off a piece of that . . . KIT KAT BAR!

sorry, couldn't resist /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Oh great, now I got that song stuck in my head again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony!

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2 economy tickets to London $1,200 - 1 st class $12,000 - ummm.
 
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And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony!

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2 economy tickets to London $1,200 - 1 st class $12,000 - ummm.

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Damn $12,000?! Just let her go in the baggage compartment.
 
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And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony!

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Well, that's not an option on Southwest. Plus, two coach tickets often do not equal one business class ticket. For example, flying to SIN can be done for about $1200 in coach. Do it in business, and you're talking $5K.
 
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But with an flight are you paying to get from A to B, or are you paying for the seat from A to B. Because if that is the case, then you should get twice as many airmiles, which most airlines will not permit you to do that, and travel with twice as much luggage - do you get charged tax on both, or is tax per person, what about security fees, etc. Not just that easy.



[/ QUOTE ] It seems to me that you are paying for a seat. You can't pay for standing room or to sit on the floor so that would imply you bought a seat, and I would assume you also buy all the priveledges that come with it. That would mean to me that you get twice as much luggage because the plane is alloted to hold x number of suit cases based on seat count right? So the seat, the number of suit cases does not change just because it's one person in two seats instead of two. The taxes I would think are based on per ticket sale or per total cost, which would imply that she would also be taxed twice. At least that's my take on it. Because I have travelled w/ a kid in my lap but I didn't have to pay per person tax, and I didn't get per person luggage allowances, I had per seat/ticket tax and per seat luggage allowances. Make sense?
 
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Basically an airline sells a seat from "point a" to "point b".

If you need more than one seat, and it's a full flight where they've got to bump a revenue passenger in order for you to sit comfortably, I haven't a problem!

I would lose my ever loving mind if I had a business meeting which I paid full fare for a ticket to attend where I either got bumped because a large passenger who paid for one ticket took up two seats or I had to 'share' my occupiable space.

I sat next to a rather large woman on a flight from DFW to PHX once where the armrest wouldn't come down and I felt 98 degree "person" pressing against the left half of my body for two hours.

Granted the ride was free, but if I had paid for a ticket and spent two hours pressed against the sidewall for two hours, I'd be miffed.
 
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ok, i know not everyone on here has a skinny butt, so lets be honest. A typical coach seat is around 17" wide. To put that in perspective, my keyboard is 18" wide. I can think of like 3 people off the top of my head who would probably fit comfortably into that small of a width. so with that, the rest of us spill over somewhat.

with that, i feel southwest's policy as outlined by Kellwolf is fair, however, making a scene about it in a public place is not (i realize the woman made the scene not southwest but i'm talking in general) I feel like if southwest can be discrete and polite and compassionate when dealing with this situation it would go a long way rather than being rude and obnoxious about it (again, didn't see the show, just commenting in general) but that goes without saying in all aspects of customer service.

[/ QUOTE ] whooeee emily.. who IS that hunky man as your avatar? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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And instead of paying for two tickes why not buy one 1st class ticket? Good point Tony!

[/ QUOTE ]SWA doesn't have first class Brian
 
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no you didn't.. .you guys post girls ALL the time... so it's our turn.. hahahhaa
 
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[/ QUOTE ] whooeee emily.. who IS that hunky man as your avatar? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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His name is Josh Harnett and I agree with you.

I'd fight Emily for him. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif


Matthew
 
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I love when people buy the cheapest ticket possible and then complain about service. The reason Southwest makes money isn't because of outstanding service (although it is pretty good), it's because they are set up to require a 90% load factor to reach their break-even point. Giving fat people a free seat would effectively cancel out the revenue seat miles for both seats. So in that case, two empty seats equals one big butt in on 1.5 seats. This is not good when you have to pack 'em in like cattle just to make a buck. The fact that southwest will refund the second seat if one is available afterwards is actually a really nice thing for them to do.
 
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How about we forget about the idea that airlines sell a "seat from point A to point B"? Maybe airlines should start selling tickets on the style of UPS or Airborne. That is, the pax is weighed together with his or her baggage and charged by the pound. You could have bench seats with adjustable armrests that could slide left and right to give the pax the exact amout of space required. A small pax with a 11 inch arse would get 12 inches of seat. A large pax with a 29 inch arse wold get a 30 inch seat...


Okay, I know this isn't realistic but....
 
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How about bench style seating with 1 seatbelt for everyone, whether it be 1 person or 5 people! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/buck.gif

JR
 
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Fat people like this chick crying ADA are just looking for an excuse to get money and attention. Fatness is everyone elses problem- not theirs. (Along with every other issue in this country...) They are being discriminated against! Puh-lease. Like sitting on her ass and eating like a pig weren't her fault.

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It's interesting to watch this thread unfold just as we're discussing racism and discrimination in general in my Social Psychology class. Weight discrimination is the last bastion left untouched by political correctness, the last basis people feel free to actively discriminate on. As told by the wise old sage C.C. DeVille (of Poison fame) on one of those VH1 documentaries, the American public is far more tolerant of cocaine and heroin addiction than they are of obesity. Think rv7's cousin would call some black guy the "n" word mid-flight? My guess is probably not. But calling him a 'fat •', well, that's just calling a spade a spade, right?

News flash for all you skinny people: you're shaped the way you are and we fat people are shaped the way we are largely because of genetics. Anyone who disagrees with this doesn't understand either genetics or differences in metabolism (a product of...surprise...genetics). Sure, exercise can have an effect on this, but the simple truth is that if Szluka or Ed put on an extra 10 lbs of flab and then they and I had a contest to see who could lose 10 lbs faster, I'd have to work much harder than they to lose that 10 lbs. Why? Being an average fat person, my metabolism--to be more specific, my basal metabolic rate--is much, much slower than theirs, which means simply that my body is more efficient in its use of fuel (food) than a skinny guy's--and, conversely, much less efficient at burning stored fuel (bodyfat). A good analogy (at least for this crowd) is the difference in fuel burn for a turbojet to produce the same thrust at low altitude vs at high altitude.

Now mind you, this isn't merely the whining of a fat person; I'm busting my ass to rid myself of this obstacle to an aviation career (I've dropped ~40 lbs since the JC Scottsdale meet-n-greet in Feb), but I know what it's like to be extremely uncomfortable in that 18"-wide seat, very nearly having to ask for a seatbelt extension.
 
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