I have a dream: Aerobatic Breezy

Wolfy

Wolfy

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If I was on a fly out with a bunch of guys, they'd be hearing about this. But, I'm not, so you are.

I did an hour of aerobatics in my friend's Super Decathlon with him and had an absolute blast. Reaffirmed that it's completely what I want to do with my flying career. It also reminded me of a (crazy) idea I had a month ago: an aerobatic breezy. I'd build a Breezy with a AEIO-320 and a semi symmetrical wing instead of the suggested J3 wing. I could do airshows with an emphasis on inverted stuff. I think it would be a blast to watch, someone hanging out there like that. I like to think about it. How could I reinforce the plane for increased negative g loading? Who would sponsor it? How incredibly awesome would it be? It's a total pipe dream, but it's my pipe dream.

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your're thinking this through too much. Just roll a breezy and see what happens, then go from there.
 
Wolfy said:
If I was on a fly out with a bunch of guys, they'd be hearing about this. But, I'm not, so you are.

I did an hour of aerobatics in my friend's Super Decathlon with him and had an absolute blast. Reaffirmed that it's completely what I want to do with my flying career. It also reminded me of a (crazy) idea I had a month ago: an aerobatic breezy. I'd build a Breezy with a AEIO-320 and a semi symmetrical wing instead of the suggested J3 wing. I could do airshows with an emphasis on inverted stuff. I think it would be a blast to watch, someone hanging out there like that. I like to think about it. How could I reinforce the plane for increased negative g loading? Who would sponsor it? How incredibly awesome would it be? It's a total pipe dream, but it's my pipe dream.

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On this topic, if anyone knows of a good aerobatic homebuilt series, I'd love to hear about them. Super-D's and citabrias seem to be the cheapest options otherwise, but with the citabrias having no real inverted or negative G capability.

For me it's also the most fun I've ever had in an airplane, and I've love to do it more often.
 
Cheap Homebuilt Aerobat's: Clipped Wing T-craft (google "clipped T" - there's a company making kits). The Wag-Aero Cub kit can be built with Clipped wings. The Pitts S1C plans can be had. Skyote's are supposed to be amazingly great aerobatic homebuilts. Rose-Parakeets. I'd personally love a Skyote, a Parakeet, or a clipped-wing cub with 180hp and clipped t-craft wings.

As for the Breezy aerobatic routine thing - do it up like a modern-day Lincoln Beachey - one of the original bad-asses of aviation. You still won't be bad ass like him (because the Curtiss pusher sucked by all accounts) - but you could wear period clothing and call yourself an act.

I've personally wanted to shoehorn an AEIO-540 into a Pietenpol and do an unlimited sequence. Maybe even compete in the Red Bull series. As for sponsorship - I'm fairly certain that Doug would be all over that with a JC sponsorship.
 
Adler said:
put me in your will before you start.
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I've joked I'm going to get a life insurance policy and name all my friends on it, but not tell them. I feel it will ease the pain of my premature death if they get an unexpected check for $50,000.
 
WacoFan said:
Cheap Homebuilt Aerobat's: Clipped Wing T-craft (google "clipped T" - there's a company making kits). The Wag-Aero Cub kit can be built with Clipped wings. The Pitts S1C plans can be had. Skyote's are supposed to be amazingly great aerobatic homebuilts. Rose-Parakeets. I'd personally love a Skyote, a Parakeet, or a clipped-wing cub with 180hp and clipped t-craft wings.

As for the Breezy aerobatic routine thing - do it up like a modern-day Lincoln Beachey - one of the original bad-asses of aviation. You still won't be bad ass like him (because the Curtiss pusher sucked by all accounts) - but you could wear period clothing and call yourself an act.

I've personally wanted to shoehorn an AEIO-540 into a Pietenpol and do an unlimited sequence. Maybe even compete in the Red Bull series. As for sponsorship - I'm fairly certain that Doug would be all over that with a JC sponsorship.
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I really like the idea of a clipped wing BC-12. There is a company called swick-T selling a complete kit or plans etc calling it the clip-T. They do wings as well from the looks of it, for the older models. Claims 11.5G fuselage and a 21G wing. Holy crap. $28.5k plus an O-200.
The singles wouldn't do it for me, as I'd need 2 seats. Thanks for the heads up though, I had no idea such a thing existed.
I especially like the idea of buying a BC-12 for what... 15k, flying it, and put some wings together after I get it. I do wonder how that works though... do you re-certify it experimental and homebuilt(and can thus do your own mx?)
 
z987k said:
I really like the idea of a clipped wing BC-12. There is a company called swick-T selling a complete kit or plans etc calling it the clip-T. They do wings as well from the looks of it, for the older models. Claims 11.5G fuselage and a 21G wing. Holy crap. $28.5k plus an O-200.
The singles wouldn't do it for me, as I'd need 2 seats. Thanks for the heads up though, I had no idea such a thing existed.
I especially like the idea of buying a BC-12 for what... 15k, flying it, and put some wings together after I get it. I do wonder how that works though... do you re-certify it experimental and homebuilt(and can thus do your own mx?)
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T-carts the guy to ask about certification or anything having to do with a clipped T-craft as he's building one up right now. As for an old one - gotta thing how many snap-rolls you want to do with that fuselage/tail that's 50 or 60 years old. Do you really know what's inside those tubes? I'm sure T-cart would be a great source for info about that too - I'm sure his is immaculate.
 
Wolfy said:
I've joked I'm going to get a life insurance policy and name all my friends on it, but not tell them. I feel it will ease the pain of my premature death if they get an unexpected check for $50,000.
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Hi Friend!





(I keed!)
 
Wolfy said:
If I was on a fly out with a bunch of guys, they'd be hearing about this. But, I'm not, so you are.

I did an hour of aerobatics in my friend's Super Decathlon with him and had an absolute blast. Reaffirmed that it's completely what I want to do with my flying career. It also reminded me of a (crazy) idea I had a month ago: an aerobatic breezy. I'd build a Breezy with a AEIO-320 and a semi symmetrical wing instead of the suggested J3 wing. I could do airshows with an emphasis on inverted stuff. I think it would be a blast to watch, someone hanging out there like that. I like to think about it. How could I reinforce the plane for increased negative g loading? Who would sponsor it? How incredibly awesome would it be? It's a total pipe dream, but it's my pipe dream.

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Did you ever got my PM?
 
At least bailing out would be easy! ;)

Anyway, I'm sure it could be done, but my advice is not to go it alone on something like that... hire someone who knows what they're doing ;)
 
Seriously though - Wiki Lincoln Beachey or Google him. He was really the first famous airshow pilot flying a Curtiss pusher. You could emulate him, because the Breezy is the closest thing to a Curtiss Pusher you would want to use. That would be an "angle" for this act.
 
Looking at that plane reminds me of a clip of an old-time aero-plane in the pioneer days. Homeslice came around in a sharp turn and came shooting out of the open cockpit. No seatbelt.

I seem to recall another story.. can't remember if this was fiction or not- (I think it was in Chuck Yeager's autobio..) about a guy who built his own little racer plane and thought it was the bee's knees. USAF test pilot no less. Had a bit of control flutter, and thought he could patch it up with a sort of sheetmetal band-aid. Went out to test it, the tail separated, and the guy died.

Moral? Building a kit plane from a plan is one thing. Modifying an existing design is serious business best left to those who know how. Remember that guy from Africa that built his own 'airplane'? That.
 
Firebird2XC said:
I seem to recall another story.. can't remember if this was fiction or not- (I think it was in Chuck Yeager's autobio..) about a guy who built his own little racer plane and thought it was the bee's knees. USAF test pilot no less. Had a bit of control flutter, and thought he could patch it up with a sort of sheetmetal band-aid. Went out to test it, the tail separated, and the guy died.
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Like this? http://www.cracked.com/article_18839_7-planes-perfectly-designed-to-kill-people-flying-them.html
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