I didn't meet the mins, but I sent my resume in anyway.

People don't read instructions or follow rules. They are either lazy or just don't care, and employers can tell!

People aren't being realistic about the jobs they are applying for. You are not going to get that job flying a G-V across the globe making 200k right now, especially in this industry. There are plenty of folks with more time, more experience and more type ratings. Not trying to discourage anyone from applying, but realistic!

Sometimes you have to take a step back to find that job.

I do know people that fell ass backwards into a nice flying job with ver low hours, but guess what? They all knew someone and had connections!
 
Maybe there are those out there who admire the chutzpah of a low time guy throwing his hat in the ring, showing ambition, etc etc although he doesn't meet the posted minimums. This may very well be.

However, if I am ever in a position to hire people, the names of the "ambitious" will go in a little black book. Not just to be a jerk or because I enjoy pooping on people (although I am and I do), but because if you can't read or won't respect what I say when you're trying to find a job, how can I take seriously the notion that you'll follow the rules when you're flying an airplane thousands of miles away from me? "Well, we know they said cross at 11k, but 11.5k is pretty close, and I really wanted to." ???

Honestly, I can't think of two things more indicative of someone I wouldn't want working for me than "inability to follow simple instructions" AND "sense of being special or entitled".
 
minitour said:
An automated response e-mail to say "We got it. We'll let you know if you're selected to continue in the application process." takes about 43 seconds to set up.



I was thinking more about jobs posted on the company's own website. I don't use the pay to play job boards anymore just because of the issue you mentioned. I recommend the same to anyone.

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I feel you man, I've been there.

But one thing you're going to find is that sometimes looking for a job is like throwing rocks into a big black hole with no tactile feedback. You just have to keep on throwing and not give up hope.

It may take 43 seconds to set up, but think of someone with a job to fill in this economy like say, Scarlett Johanson. Scarlett is looking for a date, is very specific at whom she'd like to go out with and puts an ad in the paper.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry looks sees "Scarlett is looking for an escort to the cotillion!" stops reading and starts texting "LOLZ OMG UR HOTT HIT ME BACK PLZ" which completely buries the legitimate applicants who match the requested qualifications.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I feel you man, I've been there.

But one thing you're going to find is that sometimes looking for a job is like throwing rocks into a big black hole with no tactile feedback. You just have to keep on throwing and not give up hope.

It may take 43 seconds to set up, but think of someone with a job to fill in this economy like say, Scarlett Johanson. Scarlett is looking for a date, is very specific at whom she'd like to go out with and puts an ad in the paper.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry looks sees "Scarlett is looking for an escort to the cotillion!" stops reading and starts texting "LOLZ OMG UR HOTT HIT ME BACK PLZ" which completely buries the legitimate applicants who match the requested qualifications.
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I'm not saying to apply if they're asking for 1000 in type and you've got 50 in a completely different type. I'm saying that they could show the decency to send an automated response saying "hey loser, we got your stuff...don't call us, we'll call you".

That's what Brian Boitano'd do.

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Brian Boitano ain't got an ATP! :)

That'd be "nice" to send a response, but as you see, it's not necessarily customary.
 
Let me throw this into the mix. Colgan minimums are 1000/100. Would it be wise to apply with 800/70? Would would the HR folks think?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Maybe there are those out there who admire the chutzpah of a low time guy throwing his hat in the ring, showing ambition, etc etc although he doesn't meet the posted minimums. This may very well be.

However, if I am ever in a position to hire people, the names of the "ambitious" will go in a little black book. Not just to be a jerk or because I enjoy pooping on people (although I am and I do), but because if you can't read or won't respect what I say when you're trying to find a job, how can I take seriously the notion that you'll follow the rules when you're flying an airplane thousands of miles away from me? "Well, we know they said cross at 11k, but 11.5k is pretty close, and I really wanted to." ???

Honestly, I can't think of two things more indicative of someone I wouldn't want working for me than "inability to follow simple instructions" AND "sense of being special or entitled".
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I AM one of those guys who has to wade through a neck deep stack of resumes every once in a while. And the section in bold is how I do it:pirate:.

I'd guess 30% of the resumes I get are qualified, AND serious about finding a job.
 
I understand not applying if you can't meet unwaiverable requirements. But I think a lot of people have the "you won't know till' you try" mentality. I personally never applied to any aviation internships as they all seem to require that the applicant be in a flight program. Well I know someone who wasn't in an aviation program that was called in to interview for one of those positions. So now I'm kind of ignoring such requirements with the hopes that it won't matter.
 
I don't have my commercial yet but I found myself doing this with college applications last year. In retrospect I feel stupid for applying below the mins and giving myself a reason to feel any glimmer of hope when I was really just setting myself up for failure.

It wasn't out of entitlement in my case but rather that people tend to throw logic out the window when they want something really bad.

I didn't get in, and it wasn't worth giving the impression that I couldn't follow directions for future attempts. Next time (college/jobs) I will follow directions and apply with the minimums met.
 
I can see both sides of the issue. However, I did get two jobs when I didn't have what they were looking for. In both cases it was a matter of meeting someone eye to eye and saying "I know I don't have what you listed as your requirements, but let me tell you what I do have to offer".

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_times_did_Babe_Ruth_strike_out_in_his_career

It is almost certain to be a non starter if it is a blindly mailed resume to a company that has requirements one doesn't meet. But, if you can add a sweetener to the mix, you might have a shot.
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Guy said:
It is almost certain to be a non starter if it is a blindly mailed resume to a company that has requirements one doesn't meet. But, if you can add a sweetener to the mix, you might have a shot.
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No you don't.

If I know you well enough to consider taking the added liability of hiring someone below the mins, then I would have offered it to you already.
 
My wife went through resumes to find someone to interview for her job (she was leaving). You would not believe the types of people applying for an office manager job. I saw biochemists, engineers, etc. etc.

A family member of a dentist that tried to screw me applied and her resume was promptly deleted. It's a small world folks. She never even knew....
 
Jesus, what is this the Hatfields and McCoys? Seems kind of harsh to take it out on some dude's relative because he's a jerk.
 
Fair enough, I suppose. It's certainly true that it's a small world and it doesn't pay to make an ass of yourself. Wish someone had told me sooner! ;)
 
HARRY POTTER said:
is it really worth it to rage about having to click the "delete email" button a few extra times?
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You're missing the point. This isn't about "raging" over a simple act of email deletion. Finding the right person to fill an open spot (be it pilot, mechanic, chief bottle washer, etc) isn't an easy thing and as explained, can cost a lot of money.

We all should expect some level of professionalism and "fair play" when it comes to job hunting. Shotgunning resumes for jobs you are completely unqualified for (both technically and by the minimums) does nothing to help out the people whom are qualified.

The person doing the selection for a hiring pool is under scrutiny as well from their respective bosses. Choose the wrong people and they may not be in their position much longer.

Stated minimums are nothing personal, there is little or no ego involved, they are just minimums, set by company culture, insurance requirements, or some combination. Trying to be the one who is going to buck the system and show the world you are the next Chuck Yeager isn't going to get you or anyone else very far.
 
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