I Definately Learned about flying from that

pkloop

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Yesterday morning me and my wife flew down to Key West for an afternoon of fun and sun. We layed on the beach, ate some seafood, wandered around then headed over to Mallory Square for the sunset party. After enjoying the show we got back on the Bone Island trolley and headed back to the airport. Now dark I preflighted the 172 and got myself set up in the cockpit. Everything where I wanted it, spare batteries, pens, maps, both handheld and panel mounted Gps ready to go.

The chain of events begins to break down.

Contact KW ground state intentions and ask for VFR flight following for the night time return. Ground informs me to request flight following from Navy tower after departure and to taxi, position and take off.

I take off get handed to Navy Tower who informs me I'm cleared through the Navy airspace and to contact KW depature to obtain flight following. Over to KW departure again ask for following who inturn tells me to contact MIA Cntr to request flight following.

All the while I'm begining to realize just how DARK IT IS over the ocean at night with no moon. 10 min later I'm approaching Marathon.

MIA Cntr decides they do have time to give me flight following and gives me a squak code. I enter in the transponder. He acknowledges radar contact and tells me to resume own nav.
I look up outside for what I think was the SECOND TIME
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since departing and just in time to realize (only because my landing light and strobes illuminated it) I'm inside one of those widely scattereds at 3500 I bust out the other side see marathon up ahead.

A few minutes later I begin my turn North to Everglades city.
GPS is telling me something I don't want to hear. 72.5 nm to go fighting some kind of wind. I look up away from the panel again. NOTHING AT ALL TO SEE. No lights, no ground no stars, no moon thanks to a scattered layer up above, at least that what the briefier called it, and on the ground thats what it looked like. I cannot stress enough just HOW DARK it was outside the window. I'll also say that I have flown at night on a number of occasions and I enjoy it alot. Over land that is. With some moon. When I can at least see a few lights here and there.

Well there I am flying in what may be legally VFR but there is NO WAY that that is VFR. Completely unable to ascertain anything outside the cockpit I go back to the panel. In my mind I hear my instructors voice. "Maintain your scan, don't fixate, that the VSI lags behind, your artificial horizon is your primary judge of whats going on, don't fixate. etc"

An uneasy feeling begins to take over. I am not yet inst rated (but working on getting my CC PIC 50 hr requirement) I am getting uncomfortable. My wife asks me if I'm ok. I say no. I look back over my shoulder at Marathon. Again my instructors voice in my head "Never leave an airport behind, 180 degree turn at standard rate, don't fixate, keep up your scan" "Well hon we're heading back to Marathon. I am not ok with this flight" My own personal rule I told myself I wouldn't break. If safe completion of a flight is in doubt DON"T DO IT. And with that I excuted my turn. Called up MIA Cntr told them to cancel my following. He asked me if I had a problem, I said nope, just gonna return to marathon for the night. Landed uneventfully at Marathon got a hotel at a very expensive, weekend, in season, in the keys
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rate.

Called up and left a message at the FBO that I wouldn't be returning and I'd come back in the morning. In my head I wrote my own NTSB CFIT report. Pilot Error, inexpeirenced for conditions, lack of visual references, spacial disorientation and maybe, generally unhelpful controllers a contibuting factor.

Where I went wrong: Not realizing just how dark it gets out there and not leaving KW earlier.

Where I went right: Leaving myself a way out. Before we decieded to stay for the sunset party I had a contigincy plan in my head and CC's in my pocket knowing that if it was too dark I'd get a hotel. Sticking with what I know is right. In doubt turn around.

As I continue my journey on the way to CFI and beyond I know that when I have my students every one of them, when doing their required night time will be accompanying me out over the ocean on those dark nights to see just how dark it gets and too see that while it may LEGALLY VFR there is nothing VFR about it.

So with that my saga ends and I don't become a post on JC about another JFK Jr type incident.
 
Very prudent decision and it sounds like you had a fantastic CFI.

I believe in the 'if the plexiglass in front seems scarier than what's behind you, turn around and land.' concept.

Plus with not a lot of instrument training, if your attitude indicator went kaput (which they do at inconvenient times), we'd have a good possibility of wondering why Pkloop hasn't posted for a while.

Good job!
 
You did the best thing, and that was turning back. Congratulations on that, and glad to hear you made it back
 
Doesn't night flying with no references feel like you're flying a sim...no relative motion, just instrument needles moving? Interesting, huh?

Reasonable and prudent. Good work. Good not to exceed your personal comfort level.

For some real fun, would loved to have had you backseat (if I had one) on some of my missions over Iraq. Wanna talk about dark and nasty. Take your scenario and add heavy WX with no IFR, and no ATC. Just tooling around VFR/IMC to set up your own letdown and approach.

Wondered numerous times "What the hell am I doing up here?"

Ever feel that?
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I never knew how dark 70 miles of ocean followed by 40 miles of everglades on a moonless night could be
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. Man..there was NOTHING out there!! Not even a stinking boat light to be seen.

On to the inst rating requsting we do a bunch of it at night over the ocean.
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Dude,

You had me worried just reading it. I can just feel the tension as you look back at Marathon. Great Choice and nice to have you back.
 
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Doesn't night flying with no references feel like you're flying a sim...no relative motion, just instrument needles moving? Interesting, huh?

Reasonable and prudent. Good work. Good not to exceed your personal comfort level.

For some real fun, would loved to have had you backseat (if I had one) on some of my missions over Iraq. Wanna talk about dark and nasty. Take your scenario and add heavy WX with no IFR, and no ATC. Just tooling around VFR/IMC to set up your own letdown and approach.

Wondered numerous times "What the hell am I doing up here?"

Ever feel that?
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I would love to ride/train with a well expierienced PIC in those conditions .
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And yup last night thats what I said to my self
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Doesn't night flying with no references feel like you're flying a sim...no relative motion, just instrument needles moving? Interesting, huh?

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Yeah thats exactly what it was like. Even when i did my required inst time for my private we did it in actual, during the day. Totally different. Even when you can't see inside the clouds it is way diffrent then at night.

That type of flying w/o visual ref really is something I want to get into and become VERY proficient at.
 
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. I can just feel the tension as you look back at Marathon.

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That image will be FORVER burned into my mind. As long as I fly I will never forget it.
 
very good decision on your part. if you ever feel uncomfortable with what your doing, STOP DOING IT. feelings of uneasiness turn to being scared. being scared turns into a panic, and panic leads to mistakes. mistakes that make you a statistic. nice job on being PIC.
 
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I never knew how dark 70 miles of ocean followed by 40 miles of everglades on a moonless night could be
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. Man..there was NOTHING out there!! Not even a stinking boat light to be seen.

On to the inst rating requsting we do a bunch of it at night over the ocean.
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I did the same thing....Probably atleast half of my instrument rating I did at night for that very reason. It's too easy in the daytime to "peak"...even if you're not trying to. The foggles don't block everything and that little bit of ground/sky you get out of your peripheral vision makes things easier for you to keep yourself oriented. At night you do not get any of that. Also the night is smoother, less traffic, quieter radios, etc...
 
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At night you do not get any of that. Also the night is smoother, less traffic, quieter radios, etc...

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...and no one to hear you scream.....
 
Gotta agree with everyone else. Excellent decision. It's always better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground. My first CFI took me out over the Atlantic on my night x-country so I would know how dark it got. Scared the crap out of me, and I refused to go out there before I got my IR.
 
First off, kudos on the judgment call...nicely handled.

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I never knew how dark 70 miles of ocean followed by 40 miles of everglades on a moonless night could be
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. Man..there was NOTHING out there!! Not even a stinking boat light to be seen.

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70 miles?! I'm too paranoid I'll lose an engine to make the 22 mile crossing to Catalina! Day or night! Yeah, done the over-water night XC along the coast betwee LA and Santa Barbara, and it proved to me the value of even a simple wing-leveler autopilot (which I didn't have). So easy to roll into a graveyard spiral while dinking with a chart, nav log or whatnot, only to pull on the yoke when you notice the increased wind noise--which is the wrong answer!

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The visibility's just as poor under a hood, dood.
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I remember the first time I found myself in actual conditions while solo and it scared the crap out of me and I'm a flight instructor! The weather was clear but I knew it was going to be dark so I filed an instrument flight plan. I was returning from Las Vegas to Phoenix and there was no moon out. I knew northern AZ was pitch black over the mountains but I just didn't know how dark it was really going to be!

Well I found out there's dark and then there's cave darkness! It was so dark that night I couldn't make out the numbers on the illuminated compass which was a foot in front of me! After an hour of staring at the ball and needles on the instruments and fighting the updrafts and downdrafts, I was getting tired and started to look away from the instruments for a moment. In the distance, I saw a highway with traffic on it, but the road looked like it was straight up and down vertically!

I immediately thought I had become disoriented and stared at the instruments! However, they all showed that I was in straight and level flight. It was one of the scariest moments I've ever had in the air!

Flying through actual conditions is nothing at all like wearing foggles or a hood! There's really nothing that can prepare you for the sensations you'll experience when there's absolutely nothing there but the instruments. To the orginal poster, you absolutely did the right thing! You turned back; unfortunately Kennedy did not.
 
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70 miles?! I'm too paranoid I'll lose an engine to make the 22 mile crossing to Catalina!

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Think you're scared aloft? I deviate around lakes and ponds!!!
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I can't afford to do that here in Minnesota (Land of 10,000 Lakes), I'd go broke.
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Sounds like a good call. When I just had a private certificate I once flew into what I would call almost IMC trying to get a plane back to the FBO where I had rented. I thought I could make it, but if it had gotten any worse who knows. I ended up turning around. A few of the guys at the FBO I took off from were giving me a hard time and telling me I could have made it, and in retrospect I probably could have, but I'm glad I decided not to chance it. You never know what could happen, and making the safe choice is always the better one.
 
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I can't afford to do that here in Minnesota (Land of 10,000 Lakes), I'd go broke.
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I'd have to find a new hobby!!!
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First off, kudos on the judgment call...nicely handled.
70 miles?! I'm too paranoid I'll lose an engine to make the 22 mile crossing to Catalina! Day or night!

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Its like 70.2 NM from Marathon to Everglades city but for 20 miles or so you're skirting the coast. Yeah still a long way for some folks comfort but it doesn't bug me. I've made the flight a bunch of times. 1st few I got the "autorough" feeling but I got over it. There's so many Coast Guard boats and choppers in the area if I declared an emerg I could probably glide around long enough so that by the time I splashed down a chopper would be there.
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Barring castostrope failure of course
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Its a beautiful flight in the daylight
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. Looks like flying in the Carribean. The clouds reflecting off the bottom of the ocean, the shadow of the plane does as well. I'll try and post some pics
 
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