Hypothetical situation........

stuckingfk

stuckingfk

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that could turn true.

Here is the deal:

My parents came through GFK today while on their trek towards Minneapolis. We go out for dinner and out of the blue my dad says "I may have found something for you to do the next month or so." Of course I was interested because I knew it had something to do with flying.

A friend of my father's just bought a twin (through a company he owns) for various reasons. One being to transport someone around for free. Here is where I come in, the owner/pilot needs another pilot to fly with him due to insurance reasons.

So I thought I would ask, is there anything here that might fall under illegal charter?

Thanks
 
Not that I may know enough to help you in any way, but what ratings do you have and how much TT?
 
I think he did mean that the owner/pilot needs a co-pilot to fly with him.
 
jd,

The owner/pilot is a pilot, but his insurance company wants him to fly with another multi rated pilot. He/we would be flying around someone else. I am not sure how this whole thing will work, that is why I asked here to see if it was viable.

BJ,

I just got hired at UND with 230 hours tt, 45 multi and I am a CFI, CFII, MEI. Currently I have 270 tt and 40 hours dual given (all single).
 
Well, without knowing all the details, I'd say you're in the clear. Assuming you're being paid by the owner to fly his plane with him, and the aircraft is being used to fly only the one person around and not being held out for common carriage, it sounds like you're money, brother!
 
Wouldn't it depend mostly on the details of the *relationship* between the owner/pilot and the passenger?
 
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Wouldn't it depend mostly on the details of the *relationship* between the owner/pilot and the passenger?

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So what kind of relationships would be illegal?

I don't know everything, but I do know the owner/pilot is doing this as a donation to the republican party. He just happens to know the person campaigning for a political position that will be riding in the back.
 
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Yeah you can do this, IMO. How are you going to log the Flight time?

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That is what I am not sure about. I know I have to have 5 hours in type to give instruction in, but I probably can't do that while someone is being transported in the back.

So we shall see......depends on what the other guy wants. He doesn't need PIC time, just some old guy with a lot of money.
 
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I know I have to have 5 hours in type to give instruction in, but I probably can't do that while someone is being transported in the back.



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Sure you can give instruction with someone else in the back, there's nothing illegal about that.

Now, if you aren't actually giving instruction, just saying so to long the time... that's shady. But if the Owner/ Pilot doesn't need the time and you both decide you are the PIC... You're Gold!
 
That's an easy one. You should log it all as PIC. As long as you guys aren't doing anything for compensation or for hire, then it's under part 91. If all the facts have been stated, it sounds pretty simple. 91.
 
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That's an easy one. You should log it all as PIC. As long as you guys aren't doing anything for compensation or for hire, then it's under part 91. If all the facts have been stated, it sounds pretty simple. 91.

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Cool, thanks everyone for your replies.

So does anyone have some gouge on the 340?
 
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So does anyone have some gouge on the 340?

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No, I sure don't man. But you'll learn a lot and have a ton of fun in that airplane. Cool beans man! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
They really should make those rules more concrete. My instructor tried to explain the whole illegal charter vs flying someone for hire thing a while ago and I really was confused as hell.
 
I don't see any way to get in any immediate trouble with the FAA, since you are only required by the insurance, and not the FAR's. You do not need 5 hrs in type unless you are giving training for a certificate or rating.

On a side note, I believe you are going to be in a high performance, pressurized aircraft. You should definately have the high performance endorsement, and if that aircraft can be operated above FL250, you will need the high altitude signoff as well.

I am not sure I would be comfortable instructing someone in something like that, with your low time and no time in type. The whole reason the insurance company requires the supervised operating experience is because the owner is new to the type and unfamiliar with it's operation. Having a CFI who is also unfamiliar with the aircraft is not really helpful. It would be smart to find someone who has time in that specific model to at the very least give you a very detailed ground brief. A minimum of one flight in the aircraft would also be a good idea.

If you do this it is mandatory you read the entire flight manual. Some are poorly written and there can be some interesting suprises if you have any malfunctions. I would pay particular attention to the fuel and electrical systems.

Since the owner is required to fly with a CFI, I would make sure you meet the requirements of the insurance policy and will be covered if anything happens. You could also be on the hook for quite some time afterwards. You are giving the owner instruction in a new model. If he makes a stupid mistake, especially one related to aircraft or systems mismanagement, the FAA and the insurance company may take a hard look at what exactly you were doing when you were giving the owner dual instruction.

What you are proposing is serious business. Do not just look at it as a cool way to log some time.
 
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