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GhostRider in the Sky
INDEED!!!!
How would you handle this?
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OhioStatePilot
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Interesting thread. I've had experiences on both sides of the coin, myself. I often flew with a friend who I clicked perfectly with. We were able to exhibit what I'd consider fairly good CRM by dividing the flight duties and we always kept each other aware of our actions. Even in a 172, it was really enjoyable to fly as a "crew" in that manner.
The other experience was only one occurrence, but I found it extremely frustrating. The ink on my PPL was still wet and I was flying a couple of friends across the city. On the out leg, the backseater was a 141 instrument student who couldn't figure out how to keep quiet long enough for me to hear or respond to ATC calls in class C, so he actually found himself isolated from the intercom. That handy little feature turned it into a non-issue. The part I found rather amusing was that instead of acknowledging the mistake, he was rather pissed off about it. Well, on the return flight he swapped up to the right seat. The flight was fine until I turned final approach and crabbed for the crosswind. I felt the bump though my feet and saw his white shoes squarely on the rudder pedals out of the corner of my eye. I simply told him to take his feet off the rudder and keep them out of the way and he complied. I wasn't about to get into a "I'll save the aircraft!" fight a few feet off the runway with this guy, but if he didn't move his feet, I was ready to go around. I never flew with him again.
You're pilot in command and it's your responsibility. Take that responsibility and keep your head about you.
The other experience was only one occurrence, but I found it extremely frustrating. The ink on my PPL was still wet and I was flying a couple of friends across the city. On the out leg, the backseater was a 141 instrument student who couldn't figure out how to keep quiet long enough for me to hear or respond to ATC calls in class C, so he actually found himself isolated from the intercom. That handy little feature turned it into a non-issue. The part I found rather amusing was that instead of acknowledging the mistake, he was rather pissed off about it. Well, on the return flight he swapped up to the right seat. The flight was fine until I turned final approach and crabbed for the crosswind. I felt the bump though my feet and saw his white shoes squarely on the rudder pedals out of the corner of my eye. I simply told him to take his feet off the rudder and keep them out of the way and he complied. I wasn't about to get into a "I'll save the aircraft!" fight a few feet off the runway with this guy, but if he didn't move his feet, I was ready to go around. I never flew with him again.
You're pilot in command and it's your responsibility. Take that responsibility and keep your head about you.
falconvalley
Absentee Dad of the OOTSK, Runner, Cat Frustrator
There's one thing you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY...
DO NOT
do---> interfere with the controls of the flying pilot unless it is clear you are instructing OR you need to save your ass. If you can't handle a less than desirable, but safe landing, then you might not like flying as a crewmember. Anything that has not been briefed could get everyone killed.
DO NOT
do---> interfere with the controls of the flying pilot unless it is clear you are instructing OR you need to save your ass. If you can't handle a less than desirable, but safe landing, then you might not like flying as a crewmember. Anything that has not been briefed could get everyone killed.
captainphil
Well-Known Member
left seat private pilot : I'm PIC
left seat student : No i'm PIC
left seat private pilot : no, i'm PIC
left seat student : Im PIC!
Engine Sputters and quits
left seat private pilot : Ok, your the PIC
I thought we could use a little break on this page. I took him flying again today and used some of the things you guys said. Today he was more observant and less persistant. Thanks to everyone
left seat student : No i'm PIC
left seat private pilot : no, i'm PIC
left seat student : Im PIC!
Engine Sputters and quits
left seat private pilot : Ok, your the PIC
I thought we could use a little break on this page
. I took him flying again today and used some of the things you guys said. Today he was more observant and less persistant. Thanks to everyone 
ctab5060X
Well-Known Member
Sounds like someone with a case of multiple personalities!
///AMG
Well-Known Member
This is a pretty entertaining thread. The guy sounds like a social retard. Don't take him flying, seriously; that is the most useful lesson you can teach him with either of your experience levels. He needs to learn that if he can't play nice in the cockpit, nobody is going to want to fly with him.
It is good to be open minded to other techniques, but try and at least focus on those with a good deal more experience than you, who will probably not lead you astray. I've seen it time and time again both times I have been in flight school....the blind leading the blind. Other students can be a resource, but not at the expense of you doing the right thing.
It is good to be open minded to other techniques, but try and at least focus on those with a good deal more experience than you, who will probably not lead you astray. I've seen it time and time again both times I have been in flight school....the blind leading the blind. Other students can be a resource, but not at the expense of you doing the right thing.
Screaming_Emu
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A couple of friends of mine were talking about the other day when they took a friend of theirs flying. Apparently he opened the window of the 172 and started throwing stuff out the window. Was generally immature to the point that it was pretty much unsafe. Was yelling obscenities into his headset while they were trying to make radio calls...they turned off his part of the audio panel and leapt forward to turn it back on. The scary part is that this guy is a private pilot already.
Thankfully it sounds like my friends handled it well. I would have landed somewhere, let him out, and carried on to my destination. It scares me that people have to share the sky with him. He also tried to log the parts of the flight where he wasn't flying.
Thankfully it sounds like my friends handled it well. I would have landed somewhere, let him out, and carried on to my destination. It scares me that people have to share the sky with him. He also tried to log the parts of the flight where he wasn't flying.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Sounds like something that happened to me two days ago, oh wait.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
Reminds me of a few pilots who buzzed a farmer and teepeed a house once
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captainphil
Well-Known Member
left seat private pilot : I'm PIC
right seat student : No i'm PIC
left seat private pilot : no, i'm PIC
right seat student : Im PIC!
Engine Sputters and quits
left seat private pilot : Ok, your the PIC
I thought we could use a little break on this page
^ corrected to not have multiple personality
3green
Well-Known Member
Can't believe you took that clown flying again. Your a much better man than me. I've flown with one person who I didn't think was safe and you know what I learned that if I don't agree with you on the ground before the fight, why would I agree with you in the air. Just food for thought.
Just wondering, can't you find someone more cooperative to fly with? I'm sure they're someone(probably everyone) that is there that would be much more beneficial and less life-threatening to split time with.
captainphil
Well-Known Member
I take my friend Dave flying sometimes who is close to being a certified Private pilot. He does not interrupt unless he sees traffic or shoots the breeze ( when not operating during a critical phase of flight).He is a pleasure to fly with and weve been good friends since I started at the school. The other guy just needs to work a few things out, other than that , he is an ok guy.
scottyboy75
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I did that daily with the politicians I was flying around. I love pilot iso!