How to throw yourself under the bus

[NovemberEcho]

Me: n1234 traffic 12 o clock 4 miles 777 4000
N1234: roger we're IMC
Me: roger
*pause*
Me: n1234 aren't you flying VFR?
N1234: yep!

 

[fholbert]

It was the VFR type of IMC.

 

[Urp99]

Me: n1234 traffic 12 o clock 4 miles 777 4000
N1234: roger we're IMC
Me: roger
*pause*
Me: n1234 aren't you flying VFR?
N1234: yep!

Had to be a skydiving plane ... it's called 'industrial haze'

 

[SquatThrust]

Did you just assume the pilot's preferred meteorological pronoun???

 

[RDoug]

I saw the title of the thread and immediately assumed it was about MavMB.

My bad.

 

[Hiboglossi]

Is Jerry W visiting the New York area?

 

[NovemberEcho]

And if anyone was wondering, I didn't violate him or give him a number to call. I'm a no harm no foul guy. It was dark and he said as he was descending he didn't realize the tops were right there. I gave him an IFR clearance and that was that.

 

[DE727UPS]

And if anyone was wondering, I didn't violate him or give him a number to call. I'm a no harm no foul guy. It was dark and he said as he was descending he didn't realize the tops were right there. I gave him an IFR clearance and that was that.

I was wondering. Nice of you to handle it that way.

 

[MikeD]

Should have given him a number to copy down and call after he landed. But make it some random phone number

 

[NovemberEcho]

Should have given him a number to copy down and call after he landed. But make it some random phone number

I'll have to look up the number of the Chinese place that screwed up my order last time and start giving that out

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Should have given him a number to copy down and call after he landed. But make it some random phone number

867-5309.

I’d probably have handled it a bit different. I’m not sure if it’s possible to do this without narcing him, but he’d get a number, explain why this is a bad idea, and then tell him that a preemptive call about his plight would have been easier for all involved and no big deal.

 

[BobDDuck]

What's the likelihood of a supervisor or somebody out of location reviewing the tape, hearing the comment and going after the pilot, or even you for not violating him?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

867-5309.

I’d probably have handled it a bit different. I’m not sure if it’s possible to do this without narcing him, but he’d get a number, explain why this is a bad idea, and then tell him that a preemptive call about his plight would have been easier for all involved and no big deal.

Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to?


Probably not New York Approach........

 

[NovemberEcho]

What's the likelihood of a supervisor or somebody out of location reviewing the tape, hearing the comment and going after the pilot, or even you for not violating him?

About 1% for it to be heard during a random tape check. Probably 1% of that 1% chance action being taken on it

 

[ppragman]

“Can you maintain your own terrain and obstruction clearance through 9,000?”

“What do you think I’m doing now? I’m climbing through 6,000 in highly mountainous terrain where the local weather is reporting on its ass. Of course I can!”

 

[DE727UPS]

About 1% for it to be heard during a random tape check. Probably 1% of that 1% chance action being taken on it

This was a good 20 years ago. But if you hit the snitch a supe got involved and then the controller needed to protect himself. If the computer didn't see a loss of separation, and the supe didn't see it, then it didn't happen.

 

[alaskadrifter]

This reminds of a time when some guys were leaving PABR on a special and gave a bases tops report when it was overcast.

 

[GolfChuck]

This was a good 20 years ago. But if you hit the snitch a supe got involved and then the controller needed to protect himself. If the computer didn't see a loss of separation, and the supe didn't see it, then it didn't happen.

No snitch for IFR/VFR flight following, IFR clearance would not take effect until the aircraft reached an appropriate IFR altitude.

 

[ppragman]

No snitch for IFR/VFR flight following, IFR clearance would not take effect until the aircraft reached an appropriate IFR altitude.

Heh, I've routinely gotten the clearance "Cleared present position direct FIXXY then Direct PABC, maintain your own terrain and obstruction clearance through XXX-thousand climb and maintain YYY-thousand, report leaving XXX-thousand" a ton of times. One wonders exactly where that clearance starts?

 

[NovemberEcho]

Heh, I've routinely gotten the clearance "Cleared present position direct FIXXY then Direct PABC, maintain your own terrain and obstruction clearance through XXX-thousand climb and maintain YYY-thousand, report leaving XXX-thousand" a ton of times. One wonders exactly where that clearance starts?

The MVA.