How to request PRIA records

JDean3204

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Quick question...

I would like to request my PRIA records for peace of mind. Is that even possible?? May be a dumb question, but the 8060-10 specifically requires a designated agent from an air carrier, I just want to request the records to make sure a mistake was corrected as promised it would be.
 
Quick question...

I would like to request my PRIA records for peace of mind. Is that even possible?? May be a dumb question, but the 8060-10 specifically requires a designated agent from an air carrier, I just want to request the records to make sure a mistake was corrected as promised it would be.

If you are looking for Hellport's records for you they have all been destroyed. They were apparently ordered to be shredded by management and the bankruptcy custodian.
 
Quick question...

I would like to request my PRIA records for peace of mind. Is that even possible?? May be a dumb question, but the 8060-10 specifically requires a designated agent from an air carrier, I just want to request the records to make sure a mistake was corrected as promised it would be.

Best bet is likely to contact your current airline, they can show you what is presently on file.
 
Best bet is likely to contact your current airline, they can show you what is presently on file.

I already have the copies from what they have on file, that was from when I was hired 6 months ago. Would they be able to run another request?
 
It's interesting to see what info shows up. From my latest set of requests, three companies sent no response. One 135 sent a letter saying 'We don't keep records, but he was a great employee'. One sent nothing but a copy of a quiz from day one of indoc (after I worked there for three years!). The only company that had any success at all was Ameriflight.
 
You literally fill out the appropriate forms and submit them to the people listed on those forms. That's it.

8060-10, 8060-10a, 8060-11, 8060-11a, 8060-12 That's how it works.
 
You literally fill out the appropriate forms and submit them to the people listed on those forms. That's it.

8060-10, 8060-10a, 8060-11, 8060-11a, 8060-12 That's how it works.

I understand how filling out the forms work...

The issue is I'm not clear on what air carrier representative will fill out the appropriate sections. I'm not doing this at a new air carrier for a job prospect, just simply looking to see if a specific change was made at a previous company that is reflected on PRIA.

Typically companies send you the forms with their sections already filled out. At least that's what I recall the two previous times I have submitted requests.

I just shot my current company HR rep an email asking if I can request PRIA docs through them for a check, that way they send me the forms with the representative section prefilled . Still waiting to hear back on that as I didn't get to it until later on this evening..
 
I understand how filling out the forms work...

The issue is I'm not clear on what air carrier representative will fill out the appropriate sections. I'm not doing this at a new air carrier for a job prospect, just simply looking to see if a specific change was made at a previous company that is reflected on PRIA.

Typically companies send you the forms with their sections already filled out. At least that's what I recall the two previous times I have submitted requests.

I just shot my current company HR rep an email asking if I can request PRIA docs through them for a check, that way they send me the forms with the representative section prefilled . Still waiting to hear back on that as I didn't get to it until later on this evening..

Oh sweet summer child. Maybe these days they do, when PRIA is seen as a burdensome step between interviewing and hiring, but in the halcyon days of the pilot glut of the last economic downturn it wasn't uncommon to get a set of several blank PRIA forms in your application packet with the following instructions: "Fill em' out, and I dunno, uhh, hand em to the chief pilot and I guess we'll send em' out?"

Here's the thing, unless you're getting a new job, you can't just fill out the PRIA paperwork and get your records. They are sent from Company A to Company B, so unless your new company wants the records, well, you're probably not going to get them that way. You do have the right to those records when a company requests them, but as far as I know, you don't have any right to them other than that. There's no way for a "personal PRIA request" because you're not a 135 certificate, 121 certificate, or 125 certificate. In the future, the FAA will have digitized all this, and all your old pilot records will be stashed online,assuredly in some Byzantine system that requires you update your password every 48-calendar days, but who knows what the new requirements will be - I think there's an AC about it, but I haven't done much with it but skim it.

Truthfully, if you want to see your pilot records, call up your old chief pilot and say, "hey uhhh, can I get a copy of my records?" And I bet they'll send it - outside of that, I got nothing for you other than get a part-time 135 job, or find a new job.

Truthfully, what could you want from them that they would have to "change?" The truth is, there's not actually that much in a PRIA request. You don't see why someone quit/was fired unless it was for terrible piloting (in which case we have to), hell, we don't even include rehire eligibility in our packet.

Disciplinary Actions that are unrelated to a termination or release from employment, and have been imposed on a pilot by the employer, should only be reported if they involve the individual’s performance as a pilot, and have not been subsequently overturned. Other employment related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s flight duties resulting in a disciplinary action, but not discharge or termination, should not be reported. (49 U.S.C. § 44703(h)(1)(B)(ii)(II))

So if something of that nature has been subsequently overturned, I wouldn't worry about it - if they submit that you were fired for being a dumbass when it turns out that actually the FAA's investigation proved that you were in fact quite competent but they were just covering your ass...well, honestly let em' submit it.

Regardless, don't worry about PRIA, it's a goat-rope that has almost no bearing on your hiring unless you failed drug tests, crashed airplanes you didn't report, got fired for crashing said airplanes and didn't report it, etc.
 
Oh sweet summer child. Maybe these days they do, when PRIA is seen as a burdensome step between interviewing and hiring, but in the halcyon days of the pilot glut of the last economic downturn it wasn't uncommon to get a set of several blank PRIA forms in your application packet with the following instructions: "Fill em' out, and I dunno, uhh, hand em to the chief pilot and I guess we'll send em' out?"
That is the 135 side of world. The 121 seems a little different.
 
That is the 135 side of world. The 121 seems a little different.

Meh - I have personally processed hand-filled out PRIA forms for 121 carriers. Horizon has the poop in a group as do most of the others, but the forms are identical. They have the company name, some address fields, and the air carrier certificate number in several places, that's it. Horizon doesn't even do it themselves - they send that stuff off to a subcontractor that sends us a massive packet of stuff, to which we can only really reply to some of it.

The giant "new hire packet" most of those places send off too? Most of it superfluous textual noise. So for instance, when we at "Brand Y" get a packet from a certain well-known Utah based part 121 carrier, we can't even reply with a bunch of the stuff they ask for - like legally are unable to. The pilots diligently fill out a form that goes on to ask us to rate the pilot's trustworthiness on some sort of scale and explain the reason they no longer work here. From an HR standpoint, they should know better - we can't open ourselves up to that kind of liability. If we did, we could be in a world of hurt for defamation or libel or some other such thing. Nah.

PRIA records are simple. They include some stuff about your currency, maybe some photocopies of your certificates, then a bunch of training records, and that's it. If there's much more in your packet than that, you should call someone.
 
Meh - I have personally processed hand-filled out PRIA forms for 121 carriers. Horizon has the poop in a group as do most of the others, but the forms are identical. They have the company name, some address fields, and the air carrier certificate number in several places, that's it. Horizon doesn't even do it themselves - they send that stuff off to a subcontractor that sends us a massive packet of stuff, to which we can only really reply to some of it.

The giant "new hire packet" most of those places send off too? Most of it superfluous textual noise. So for instance, when we at "Brand Y" get a packet from a certain well-known Utah based part 121 carrier, we can't even reply with a bunch of the stuff they ask for - like legally are unable to. The pilots diligently fill out a form that goes on to ask us to rate the pilot's trustworthiness on some sort of scale and explain the reason they no longer work here. From an HR standpoint, they should know better - we can't open ourselves up to that kind of liability. If we did, we could be in a world of hurt for defamation or libel or some other such thing. Nah.

PRIA records are simple. They include some stuff about your currency, maybe some photocopies of your certificates, then a bunch of training records, and that's it. If there's much more in your packet than that, you should call someone.
When you said blank, I thought you meant with absolutely nothing on it. But there will always be the requesting airlines info on there. Yes, you will always have to put the previous airlines info in there.
 
When you said blank, I thought you meant with absolutely nothing on it. But there will always be the requesting airlines info on there. Yes, you will always have to put the previous airlines info in there.

Yah, otherwise it wouldn't get to the previous airline - though hilariously, I do occasionally get ones (often from well-known companies) that are filled out crazily and I take sadistic pleasure in sending them back to get fixed.
 
Oh sweet summer child. Maybe these days they do, when PRIA is seen as a burdensome step between interviewing and hiring, but in the halcyon days of the pilot glut of the last economic downturn it wasn't uncommon to get a set of several blank PRIA forms in your application packet with the following instructions: "Fill em' out, and I dunno, uhh, hand em to the chief pilot and I guess we'll send em' out?"

Here's the thing, unless you're getting a new job, you can't just fill out the PRIA paperwork and get your records. They are sent from Company A to Company B, so unless your new company wants the records, well, you're probably not going to get them that way. You do have the right to those records when a company requests them, but as far as I know, you don't have any right to them other than that. There's no way for a "personal PRIA request" because you're not a 135 certificate, 121 certificate, or 125 certificate. In the future, the FAA will have digitized all this, and all your old pilot records will be stashed online,assuredly in some Byzantine system that requires you update your password every 48-calendar days, but who knows what the new requirements will be - I think there's an AC about it, but I haven't done much with it but skim it.

Truthfully, if you want to see your pilot records, call up your old chief pilot and say, "hey uhhh, can I get a copy of my records?" And I bet they'll send it - outside of that, I got nothing for you other than get a part-time 135 job, or find a new job.

Truthfully, what could you want from them that they would have to "change?" The truth is, there's not actually that much in a PRIA request. You don't see why someone quit/was fired unless it was for terrible piloting (in which case we have to), hell, we don't even include rehire eligibility in our packet.



So if something of that nature has been subsequently overturned, I wouldn't worry about it - if they submit that you were fired for being a dumbass when it turns out that actually the FAA's investigation proved that you were in fact quite competent but they were just covering your ass...well, honestly let em' submit it.

Regardless, don't worry about PRIA, it's a goat-rope that has almost no bearing on your hiring unless you failed drug tests, crashed airplanes you didn't report, got fired for crashing said airplanes and didn't report it, etc.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you on what PRIA reveals. As I have my copies of what was sent out on my last check. I can assure you that I didn't crash a plane, have an incident or training failure nor did I fail a drug test. The paperwork submitted by the previous company regarding my departure is still inaccurate with what I filled out and was told was the status of my departure. The big difference is what is on PRIA does say not eligible for rehire, however I have in my possession a paper signed by my old BCP stating I resigned and am eligible for rehire. That is the main conflict.

I was simply posting here to ask if there was a possibility to check without a company running a check on me, I didn't know if there was or not and the CA's i'm flying with didnt know either. Now I know the answer, thanks for the replies
 
Meh - I have personally processed hand-filled out PRIA forms for 121 carriers. Horizon has the poop in a group as do most of the others, but the forms are identical. They have the company name, some address fields, and the air carrier certificate number in several places, that's it. Horizon doesn't even do it themselves - they send that stuff off to a subcontractor that sends us a massive packet of stuff, to which we can only really reply to some of it.

The giant "new hire packet" most of those places send off too? Most of it superfluous textual noise. So for instance, when we at "Brand Y" get a packet from a certain well-known Utah based part 121 carrier, we can't even reply with a bunch of the stuff they ask for - like legally are unable to. The pilots diligently fill out a form that goes on to ask us to rate the pilot's trustworthiness on some sort of scale and explain the reason they no longer work here. From an HR standpoint, they should know better - we can't open ourselves up to that kind of liability. If we did, we could be in a world of hurt for defamation or libel or some other such thing. Nah.

PRIA records are simple. They include some stuff about your currency, maybe some photocopies of your certificates, then a bunch of training records, and that's it. If there's much more in your packet than that, you should call someone.
Um....one would think it should be that simple yet companies send all sorts of stuff they shouldn't on a regular basis. Even large regionals, some are worse than others.
 
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Update to the PRIA situation...

My paperwork has now been changed to accurately reflect resignation and eligible for rehire. That's a huge potential stress relief down the road :) You can look into the PRIA records for old companies you work for as long as you contact the right people, no 8060-'s needed. I just had to be persistent with the company HR folks.
 
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