How low can the mins go?

oh geez, just say balls and be done with it!
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there's nothing wrong with the word balls.. it's said all the time - mostly at christmas...

christmas balls...peanut butter balls...ornament balls

of course, we could all just go and do the
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"he said *BALLS*".. right doug?!
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Christmas is the only time of the year when you can say "BALLS!" at Target and not get scoffed at....
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Alchemy,

I appreciate the reply. It sounds like your company is doing a good job of staying in the regional market. It's when I see these airlines shutting doors on Contiguous US flying and shifting all to the RJ's that I start having my blood boil. I realize it's not all of the regionals, but in the same respect, there are a lot of regionals doing it. I have heard rumors of a new 90 pax RJ coming out (take it for what it's worth, i fly cargo) for the regional airlines. How much difference is it between 90 & the smaller mainline aircraft. As MikeD stated earlier, the line is blurring between the regionals and mainline, except pay. Somebody needs to stand up to it and the RJ crowd isn't doing it (in general).

Yes, I have been half-way around the country in an RJ, which wasn't a small market, and should have been a mainline flight. I really wonder some times if SJS, or whatever ya'll are calling it, really blinds these crews as to what is happening.

Just look at the new Delta proposal and tell me where I am wrong on this.

Just looking in to the airline world...

TX
 
I'm so getting a Chef flashback. And it's so appropriate for the uh, sentiment for certain paycuts being proposed by management at various airlines.

Suck on my chocolate salty balls, put 'em in your mouth and suck 'em.
 
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oh geez, just say balls and be done with it!
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there's nothing wrong with the word balls.. it's said all the time - mostly at christmas...

christmas balls...peanut butter balls...ornament balls

of course, we could all just go and do the
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"he said *BALLS*".. right doug?!
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Suck on my chocolate salty balls, put 'em in your mouth and suck 'em.

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....oh you all knew it was comin!!!

But can I say balls to?

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-Matthew
 
Exactly. All of the 'well guys just roll over and take it' have early retired.

There's just us swarthy 'kids' left!
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But can I say balls to?

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-Matthew

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Yeah, but you have to say "too" instead of "to"!
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I can understand your frustration on flying cross country between large markets in an RJ.

For instance, we fly IAH-ORD in the ERJ 3x daily. On the other hand, mainline flies the same route 7x daily in the 737. I'm sure it would be more cost effective for the airline to consilidate all three of our flights into one 737, but they might lose customers due to the loss of two extra frequencies between the city pair.

I don't think you're wrong that we should be worried about regionals completely taking over the domestic route structures of the legacies. There's no doubt that the relatively low wages for an RJ crew makes a big difference in the operating economics of using a regional aircraft vs. a mainline aicraft. What we, at the regional level need to do is continue to improve our level of compensation and work rules, so that the incentive to replace mainline with RJ's is not so large. Protecting scope is in the hands of mainline pilot groups, and it's a critical battle which has already been lost at some airlines.
 
Yea I alway get that mixed up...but this time I was popping my head up and down outa my cubicle like a gopher making sure my sup wasn't around to spot me on JC again instead of working. (only supposed to be online at my lunches or breaks)
Man the things I do for this website!

-Matthew
 
Prairie doggin'!
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"Wha...what was that sound..."

"...I smell nachos grande..."

"...dood...check out the new girl..."
 
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Prairie doggin'!
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"Wha...what was that sound..."

"...I smell nachos grande..."

"...dood...check out the new girl..."

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Yea pretty much...only here it's hey check out the new boy!!!
Anyone who has a ever worked at a call center knows they ALWAYS have a rather large number of gay employees.

This place is most gay and mormon. And the two sides of course can be combative.
Chase however is big on diversity!
I suspect one day soon both sides are going to have a huge rumble dance off West side story style!!!

Hmmmmm wonder who will win!

-Matthew
 
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I can understand your frustration on flying cross country between large markets in an RJ.

[/ QUOTE ] well, yea... cuz those bathrooms are t.i.n.y...

or maybe i'm just too tall?
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Here's the way I see things. The regionals are slowly moving in the right direction. It might not be fast enough for some, but as was said earlier, pay rates have gone up. Even if it was from next-to-nothing, they still went up. It's unrealistic to expect the rates to go from dirt poor to sub-major airline levels within one or two negotiations.

As far as working for a regional that is "taking" routes from it's mainline affiliate, would you stop flying for Delta if they started taking routes that were formerly flown by Northwest? They're codeshare partners, which is almost the same thing.

The point was brought up earlier of regional pilots getting bent over by management due to the stack of resumes on the recruiters' desks. Let's not use FedEx since they're still doing well, let's use someone like United or Northwest. They're pilots continue to get the shaft as well, but, like the regionals, they aren't quitting over it either. I'm sure there's just as big a stack at those airlines from regional pilots wanting to move up as there are at the lower tiers. Same thing applies, it's just bigger equipment.

Bottom line, the whole industry looks like it's on an express elevator to hell FAST as far as pay rates go. Until mainline and regional pilots finally realize they're on the same side and management from BOTH sides are playing them off each other, there's not much that can be done about it. Who cares who's fault it is, the brakes need to be thrown on my someone.
 
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well, yea... cuz those bathrooms are t.i.n.y...


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Not True!!! The ERJ has a relatively large bathroom, larger than most of the narrow body aircraft. But the CRJ sure does have a tiny bathroom.

This is one thing I am sure of!! I'm always in the ERJ can and it's nice!!
 
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Just an honest question ... why would anyone choose your school over FSA when even you yourself say FSA is close to the be all end all of flight training?


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$30 an hour instruction ought to do it..
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Seriously, The valley needs a good quality small school but the there is just too much red tape involved not to mention "no profit". The love just isn't enough anymore...


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If you're gonna do it just make sure you're either WAY cheaper (average price in the valley for a '70s vintage 172 is above $100/hr) or provide something the other schools don't like glass panel, new tech aircraft - which, of course, there already is a school that was based out of SDL and has since moved to FFZ. Also keep in mind SDL doesn't like anything that burns 100LL.



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Agree... You need a niche. I would focus on multi time.... Oh yeah, there goes the profits...


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That is, of course, if you're willing to take advice from "Capt. Otter," ya know, a guy who's actually about to do what you'd "love to do."


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I envy anyone who can struggle through the pay. I have the hours, the multi time, some dual given, some good flying under my belt, and the passion. The resume hasn't gone out because of the paycheck and my 5 year old little girl. It may go out soon though.

If I were making regional pay here on the ground right now, I would fly the line in a second, but my pay out weighs a regionals first year pay by approx. 22 times.

Enjoy the line though, it should be fun...

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ILS. Between your avtar, your defense of direct entry jet F/O's, and your statement that you weren't low time, I had you pegged as an ASA Capt. Now I see you only fly part time and are not an airline pilot. I was way off.


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Actually, I have many friends from the academy who did the ASA program and have been flying with them for 5+ years now. The program works well and that is why I defend it. My instructor was the director of the ASA program. He prepared me for the program and I was going to do it until 9/11 hit. After that, I came back to AZ. Still a damn good program though...

As for the avitar...I like ASA and the CRJ. They will be my first choice when I take the plunge to 121...

I wouldn't consider myself low time...I am far above the mins with alot of multi/instrument/x-country time. Not as much as some of you, but still far above the mins...


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Wow...coulda fooled me with your nearly unmatched level of sarcasm and the clear lack of respect you show in some of your posts.

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You attack me....I'll speak my mind.


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Personally, I think you are doing more damage than good to your beloved academy. The FSA guy who recently PM'ed me said the same.



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No, don't think so. I have sent many students to FSA and they have all thanked me for it. 4 from this website... Most people can figure out that I am looking out for the new guy, not trying to mislead him/her.

As for your FSA PM buddy...Oh well, can't please em all..

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I think FSA is a good school for those that want that type of environment but it's hardly going to make your resume stand out of the pack.

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Not according to several hiring recruiters I have spoken with. We'll have to agree to disagree on that too.

Nice chatting...

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Could be cause I think people here might be interested in what a UPS 757/767 driver has to say.


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We should be interested....

The problem DE is that your target audience are mostly "lower" time guy's that have a tremendous advantage that "most" of you older (sorry if I offended if your not that much older) guy's did not have. This new generation can get that first right seat at well under 1000 hours which was unheard of in your day.

This is why they don't relate to you.


The problem I have with respect to your "opinion" on low time right seat jobs is..... When you are informed that others captains and veterans in the industry do not share your opinion, you snub them too.

Some of them I know are senior to you and they say.... If I had the opportunity to fly that CRJ at 500 hours, I'd of taken it and you should too.

Do I agree with you that more time in the cockpit is alway's better? Yes, however, these are the times and I know that ASA's, American Eagle, Express Jet, and Executive Jets programs are pretty damn good. I have flown with some of these guys and have sat in the SIM with them. They do extremely well and FSA does a great job preparing them.

DE....you can hold your position (and I'm sure you will
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) but, you could at least agree that if they are going to put 400 hour (average at FSA) in the cockpit, at least they are being trained by a reputable institution like Flight Safety International.

Once again....us "rookies" in the industry should be able to look up to you senior guys. All we ask is that you remove yourself from the 75 cockpit and look at the opportunities we have.

These guy's on here are going to take that 500 hour right seat job whether you like it or not. Why don't you help them by giving them some advice on how to maximize their proficiency at those hours before they sit in it?

Just some thoughts without arguing
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"When you are informed that others captains and veterans in the industry do not share your opinion, you snub them too"

Snub, from dictionary.com "To ignore or behave coldly toward; slight."

I may disagree but I hardly think I'm rude about it, especially if I'm dealing with someone with some experience in the matter at hand. By the way, where are these "veterans in the industry" you talk of? They don't seem to be here backing up your position like I have confidence the following posts will mine. By the way, I've never talked to a fellow pilot who wanted to fly with a 300 hour F/O, and I ask a lot. The guys I talk to shake their heads that such a thing is possible.

"Once again....us "rookies" in the industry should be able to look up to you senior guys. All we ask is that you remove yourself from the 75 cockpit and look at the opportunities we have"

What's that supposed to mean? Like I shouldn't speak my old school mind about how things are cause things are different now? It's a brave new world and ab initio is hear to stay so I might as well join the bandwagon?

"These guy's on here are going to take that 500 hour right seat job whether you like it or not"

Yeah, I figured that out a long time ago.

"Why don't you help them by giving them some advice on how to maximize their proficiency at those hours before they sit in it?"

They don't ask me. HEHE. Subject for a new thread.

"DE....you can hold your position (and I'm sure you will )"

Yep.
 
Ok, who really has 300 hour pilots out there? Pinnacle maybe had some awhile ago, colgan? Who else? I think they would be a very small group.
 
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