How long did it take you to earn your CFI certificate?

airplane401

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I'm a little depressed as of today. I've been working on my CFI for about 5 months and have been studying my butt off but still don't have a checkride scheduled. I have about 370tt and over 100 complex. I have spent about $22k on my CFI alone. All my maneuvers are within PTS and all the other instructors I fly with keep asking me when will my main instructor sign me off. I feel like Im close to getting a sign off but I'm running out of money. I have spoken with my instructor about this before and the date just keeps getting pushed back on when I would finish. How long did it take you to complete your CFI?
 
43 days, this was with delays due to the weather, and Christmas. I had also come straight out of commercial training, and put a lot of time studying on my own before. Imo it all depends on how much you've studied coming into it. Are you struggling with specific maneuvers? Have you thought about having another CFI evaluate you and seeing where you're at?
 
43 days, this was with delays due to the weather, and Christmas. I had also come straight out of commercial training, and put a lot of time studying on my own before. Imo it all depends on how much you've studied coming into it. Are you struggling with specific maneuvers? Have you thought about having another CFI evaluate you and seeing where you're at?

I have. There's another CFI at my school that said he would have signed me off 3 months ago lol. I've had over 150 hours of ground instruction for CFI alone (they said it was needed because there is a lot of material). I know the PTS like it's my name, got 100% on both FOI and FIA writtens, and study over 4 hours EVERYDAY (practice teaching, reading PHAK, AIM, etc.)
 
Not sure what it's like where you are. The place where I am training now does roughly 15-20 hours of ground and says usually 15-20 hours flying to get everything sharpened up for the checkride. Those are rough approximations, but seems to be fairly accurate given their results.
 
I have. There's another CFI at my school that said he would have signed me off 3 months ago lol. I've had over 150 hours of ground instruction for CFI alone (they said it was needed because there is a lot of material). I know the PTS like it's my name, got 100% on both FOI and FIA writtens, and study over 4 hours EVERYDAY (practice teaching, reading PHAK, AIM, etc.)

That's overkill. Find another CFI, get the sign off and take the checkride.
 
It took me about 3 months. Sounds like you’re being taken for a ride. If all your maneuvers are to PTS, why isn’t your instructor giving you a good reason why he’s not signing you off?
 
12 days. Though this was a CFII initial in an accelerated program. CFI ground school is critical but it sounds like you're being taught 1 on 1?
 
There's either something we don't know, or you're being scammed. If you're at a school with multiple instructors, there is no reason to have loyalty to one of them. Go get the sign-off from someone else if you can convince them you're ready. Then work at the same school and intentionally protect others from being taken for such a ride by the same guy.
 
There's either something we don't know, or you're being scammed. If you're at a school with multiple instructors, there is no reason to have loyalty to one of them. Go get the sign-off from someone else if you can convince them you're ready. Then work at the same school and intentionally protect others from being taken for such a ride by the same guy.

I know but the one I'm working with is chief instructor and is the one hiring me after completion, so I feel obligated to kiss her feet basically.
 
It took me 10 years, but that's because I was one of those "I don't want to instruct because I don't think I can teach" youths...;)

As far as your school, find a different place and sue them for gouging you. That's insane! $22k for cfi? Ridiculous...
 
Most places expect you to do most of the heavy lifting on the ground school. This sounds like you're being charged by the hour.
 
I'm a little depressed as of today. I've been working on my CFI for about 5 months and have been studying my butt off but still don't have a checkride scheduled. I have about 370tt and over 100 complex. I have spent about $22k on my CFI alone. All my maneuvers are within PTS and all the other instructors I fly with keep asking me when will my main instructor sign me off. I feel like Im close to getting a sign off but I'm running out of money. I have spoken with my instructor about this before and the date just keeps getting pushed back on when I would finish. How long did it take you to complete your CFI?

Sadly, too many signing CFIs don't really know how to teach, and therefore don't know how to teach a new CFI to teach. I don't know the specifics of your situation, but in general, it should not be taking you so long. If you know your stuff, and have a signing CFI who knows how to assess teaching ability, you should be able to get done in a few weeks

The CFI Ride should have little to do with flying maneuvers. Those should be nailed cold before ever starting CFI training. What needs to be demonstrated in the CFI ride are: 1. An understanding of the elements and aerodynamics of the maneuvers and ability to convey same, 2. How to teach/demonstrate the elements of the maneuvers, and 3. How to demonstrate/explain to a student how to fix maneuvers that are broken by focusing on the individual elements of the maneuvers, 4. All the other aviation knowledge requirements and ability to teach same.

In a well run CFI ride, you actually should do very little flying yourself. The candidate should have the examiner flying, while the candidate observes, instructs and points out errors (sparingly while in the air), and occasionally demonstrates. (Hint: especially if you use an FFA examiner, it's going make him very happy to get some stick time, and it might also prove a true test of your ability to monitor and ensure the safety of the flight. Hint 2: if you keep the examiner busy flying, he'll have less bandwidth with which to distract you arcane questions, which will make for a much more enjoyable and less stressful checkride.)

In short, the CFI ride should be about your teaching ability, not your flying ability. CFI training should assume and be predicated on prexisting knowledge and skills. Sadly, it is there at which the rub so often lies.

The often seen challenge of the CFI candidate is getting to CFI training and only then realizing his/her lacunae and/or weak spots. Teaching forces the issue of the underlying knowledge and skills; It quickly and clearly illuminates any lack thereof.

If you get to CFI training and then find yourself with large deficits in knowledge or skills, you will take longer than necessary and spend more than needed.

That said, again, I know little about your specific situation, but I sense something is very wrong with it. Shouldn't be taking so long if you've been dedicated to it. Go find the oldest, most experienced CFI instructor at your shop and do a reality check ground session and flight with him. See where you're really at.

I have. There's another CFI at my school that said he would have signed me off 3 months ago lol. I've had over 150 hours of ground instruction for CFI alone (they said it was needed because there is a lot of material). I know the PTS like it's my name, got 100% on both FOI and FIA writtens, and study over 4 hours EVERYDAY (practice teaching, reading PHAK, AIM, etc.)

OK, Yeah, you gotta find someone else to work with. Is this a dairy or a flight school? 'Cause it appears you're getting milked.
 
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Unfortunately, too many CFI's are young, inexperienced and mostly just regurgitating information they read in a manual or parroting what someone else told them. I know, because roughly 35 yrs ago I was one of them. Looking back, as a CFI, I was pretty much an aviation idiot....but was an enthusiatic one!

Ask me to quote a FAR 61 or 91 reg or how to do a chandelle and I was all over that! BTW, I've NEVER had to do a chandelle after training. But, ask me to talk about icing condition do's and don'ts to a new instrument student or shoot a ILS to mins in real wx conditions and I was basically a deer in headlights....because I didn't have any real world experience on the subject. Becoming a CFI, even today, is merely thought of as a stepping stone to the next rung on the aviation ladder. Yep, there are exceptions to the rule but most young folks don't get into CFI'ing because they like, or are capable of teaching.

What other industry relies on generally the least experienced people to a teach complex subject matter to other newbies?

In a perfect world CFI's would be required to have a min level of real world experience (not jujst 250 hrs of pattern work in VFR conditions) that they can draw from to help teach concepts. Yet, unfortunately, it's still considered a relatively low paying bottom rung ladder job that's hard to get experienced individuals to do. Be nice if all CFI's were highly experienced pilots but then that would take away jobs from younger pilots trying to build hours. Very backwards system we've set up...
 
What other industry relies on generally the least experienced people to a teach complex subject matter to other newbies?

Unfortunately, lots of them.

We pay for what we value, or for what we're conditioned to value.

Long-lived and civilized cultures generally say something like, "If you study very well, observe very perspicaciously, practice very assiduously, and work very tenaciously for a long, long time... someday you may be good enough to teach."

In America it's, "Those who can't do, teach."

American culture does not value education. American culture conditions us to devalue it. I would argue that as a culture, America does not even properly understand what education is... but that's another thread.
 
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I've spent about the same -- albeit over a much longer period of time -- so I certainly understand the frustration! Easily over $20k, including over $4k last year. Although my training has been on and off over the last four years, so that certainly has contributed to higher costs.
 
What other industry relies on generally the least experienced people to a teach complex subject matter to other newbies?


For what its worth, the military does this as well with First Assignment Instructor Pilots.

I went through and teach at a 141 school. Our program is 40 hours ground (seminar format where the students teach and get feedback from the instructor), and 25 hours flight. I've had at least a dozen CFI students over the past 3-4 years and 25 hours is honestly overkill, but that's what Part 141 requires as a minimum. Almost everyone I signed off, I would have easily endorsed prior to 25 hours of flying...those who required 25 hours of flying, weren't going to be ready in only 25 hours flying.
 
I just did my first, real, honest-to-Hoover teach/fly from the right seat yesterday. I'd flown from the right, prior, but now I was talking/teaching as I flew and demonstrated.

Also hadn't flown a 172 in more than two years (been flying a PA-28R and TB-10/200) but got over that quickly.

It was a lot of fun. I did all right, all things considered. Got a ways to go, though. Shooting for 15-20 hours total to be proficient.
 
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