Bumblebee
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and my friend Todd and acquaintance Ronnie on T11 A P2V last year as well...sad.
How long before this ends badly?
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What tanker airframes do you fly. I'm jealous every time I watch the AT FireBosses running out of COE. Got to watch them work a fire from my back yard a few weeks back that was burning just across the river. Looks like so much fun, and rewarding to boot.
A Life Aloft
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This is some really interesting footage of one of the tankers fighting the rim fire taken a few days ago. The coordination, communication and precision is really impressive.
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Yeah, I saw that the other day after watering down the house at PML. You gotta wonder how effective that GW horn is after one ignores it for so long.
wheelsup
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Jesus mother of god, WHY?!?
T/O w/FSII
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Where is seggy to tell us how this is CLEARLY dangerous, give us some safety stats to compare this to 121, and tell everyone the equipment sucks?
Great video out of spain with some amphib air attack...
Great video out of spain with some amphib air attack...
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
This was a classmate's C130 unit. Pretty neat perspective.
T/O w/FSII
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GREAT AS350 skills right here.
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Mark815
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I also heard the retardant drop was a factor. Loading up the airplane, and then shifting the CG back so quickly, causing more nose-up, plus the weak wing boxes.
I used to fly the "Restricted" -E and -H models, which were limited to 180kts below 2000' and I *think* 1.8G. Still, even with the repaired wing boxes, every time you pulled 2G's (which was daily) you'd cross your fingers a bit.
ChiefPilotISA
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A great way in is to start flying air attack. If the best pilot I ever had decides to leave next year then I'll need someone to replace him. Requirements are 1500pic, 100 multi, 10 in type, and 100 in the past 12 months. Other requirements include the ability to work 12 days on with only 2 off from about June to October. If anyone is interested I'm always accepting resumes.
A Life Aloft
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Two of Canada's CL-415's and an Erickson Air Crane Helitanker flew into VNY a week ago for the start of our fire season. Always a welcome sight.
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DBrown
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Funny that this comes up today. As of Friday, I had no idea that they've been using heavies for fire-fighting purposes. After that amazing discovery, I spent the next 2 hours Youtubing every video I could of the DC10 and 747 () dropping retardant. What an friggin' incredible job that must be.
And yes... some serious genius went into making this possible. To answer the question regarding the altitude, they have to fly low, like all other retardant planes, because the material dropped would become far too dispersed to be effective at all. It would just completely dissipate before it ever touched the ground.
One source I read (it was a quote from a fireman on the ground) said that a single pass by the DC10 over one particular fire made more of an impact than an entire day of combined helo and S2 drops. 12,000 gallons per carry, which is usually dispersed over four passes. That's a hell of a lot of material.
There was one incident fairly early on in the DC10's fire fighting career. In a turn from base to final (I presume they essentially make the same sort of downwind/base/final approach to a drop that they would make for landing... if you watch the video, with the exception of landing gear it looks like the aircraft is even configured for landing), the aircraft experienced severe turbulence, dropped a few hundred feet and the left wing clipped the tops of some trees.After climbing out and dropping retardant, it went home for repairs. Was flying again in a few months.
To my knowledge, there are currently two DC10's and one 747 (Evergreen). If you thought watching the 10's dropping 12,000 gallons was amazing, you should check out the 747 dropping 24,000.
Looks like the 747 tried the new fire taco at Taco Bell
TwoTwoLeft
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You're the one who titled this thread inferring that this operation is an accident waiting to happen.
If you were JUST asking a question it would have read something like, " Man, how do they operate the DC-10 like that?"
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flyinguitar
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I'm afraid I don't understand your response. I do believe that these planes drop a chemical fire retardant.
SteveCostello
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I think his point was that if you drop the retardant from that height, not much of it would actually hit the ground in a way that would be at all effective.
Of course, I could be totally wrong, and I just need to STFU and drink my coffee
flyinguitar
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That was my original point, I thought. Anyway, this level of microanalysis is not necessary at all. Enjoy your coffee.I think his point was that if you drop the retardant from that height, not much of it would actually hit the ground in a way that would be at all effective.
Of course, I could be totally wrong, and I just need to STFU and drink my coffee
SteveCostello
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That's what I do at work after a particularly noxious lunch.
Oh... wait... we're not talking about... right. Sorry. Never mind.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Cool, thanks. I knew Stan the Man had his fingers in a bunch of stuff.