How long before this ends badly?

How long before a nasty gust of wind puts this DC-10 into the dirt?
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Actually, we lost a C-130 from North Carolina last year fighting fires. 4 dead, loadmasters made it out.

The Herk operates pretty close to the edge of the envelope, especially in flatter areas where there is no escape route. Typically ~200ft and 130kts.
 
I think call sign is " tanker 911".
Maybe chucker can come on line and fill us in. He flies lead I think, based out of OGD in the KA90 with forest service.
 
dasleben said:
Yeah, though flown by pilots on a separate seniority list.

EDIT: I may have that a bit wrong. I'd have to research it more...

...if I get around to it. Meh.
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From what I understand from one of my friends that did an internship out there, the plane was supplied by Omni as was most of the project itself. Operation wise it is done by a different company, but they are tied very closely with Omni and workers from each side often start at Omni and end up there (Or rarely vice versa)
 
I would still give both testicles to get into that industry. Lead, SEAT, S2s, air attack, tankers... All I ever wanted to do, as a little kid. Hasn't really changed much, now that I'm a bigger kid. Was going to dust crops in my 20s and try to get into the airtanker biz. Back before the BRP and the rise of MAFFS and the leprotic enfesterment of the FCT program...

Ahwell. Maybe someday.

~Fox
 
Acrofox said:
I would still give both testicles to get into that industry. Lead, SEAT, S2s, air attack, tankers... All I ever wanted to do, as a little kid. Hasn't really changed much, now that I'm a bigger kid. Was going to dust crops in my 20s and try to get into the airtanker biz. Back before the BRP and the rise of MAFFS and the leprotic enfesterment of the FCT program...

Ahwell. Maybe someday.

~Fox
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The CL-415 has always been my favorite airplane, and one that I've always wanted to fly. If I ever had a chance to go fight fires in a -415, I'd drop whatever it was that I was doing and go. Manhandling an airplane near the envelope without whiny pax in the back just sounds awesome!
 
LOL, nice!
SteveCostello said:
So amazing. This job has got to be a blast.

"What do you do for a living?"

"Me? Oh... I toss a DC-10 around like it's my little beeeotch in some of the worst flying conditions known to man and drop 12,000 gallons of life-saving red juice from the sky. You?"

"Oh... I... uh... well... do... spreadsheets... uh.. SQUIRREL!
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Had to edit a little......
 
rframe said:
If you think air attack is bad, you probably wont be signing up for this job anytime soon.

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This is one of those videos where the 1st 5 seconds pretty much gets the point across. ;)
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
How much heavy jet time do you have flying in an environment like this? How many fire drops have you made? Have you ever worked in air attack?

There are a lot of pilots out there who are very good at what they do. Just because you don't understand how it woks, doesn't make it dangerous. Sure, there's more risk involved than flying a DC-10 full of boxes from point A to B. These pilots accept that risk, and through their training, skill and ability to work together as a crew, a lot of the risk is mitigated. There are those out there who view the airplane as tool to get a job done, not just for hauling people and cargo around.
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Just asking a question. Don't be a prick.
 
What an amazing job this would be.



I'd give my left nut to fly this beautiful girl just once (although in different circumstances)




Dead nuts on target every pass
 
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JayAre said:
I think call sign is " tanker 911".
Maybe chucker can come on line and fill us in. He flies lead I think, based out of OGD in the KA90 with forest service.
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Na, he flies a -200 and does inferred scans. Guess they dumped the dougie. Bummer.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
How much heavy jet time do you have flying in an environment like this? How many fire drops have you made? Have you ever worked in air attack?

There are a lot of pilots out there who are very good at what they do. Just because you don't understand how it woks, doesn't make it dangerous. Sure, there's more risk involved than flying a DC-10 full of boxes from point A to B. These pilots accept that risk, and through their training, skill and ability to work together as a crew, a lot of the risk is mitigated. There are those out there who view the airplane as tool to get a job done, not just for hauling people and cargo around.
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Wow, who pissed in your Cheerios?
 
Read about FedEx 705, then tell me you can't be agile in a DC-10 if need be.

For a while 2 of these(not sure how many there are)were flying out of MCC. One time I held short of the runway there while one of the DC-10s took off with a light tailwind. It was pretty awesome watching it lumber off the runway towards me.
 
Yep, as @zmiller4 said, this same aircraft "Tanker 910" hit trees on the "White Fire" (near Tehachapi) in 2007 - the first year they were operating it. They were able to climb out of the downdraft in time but the trees tore up the leading edge slats and left wing flaps pretty good. Photos are here:

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/08/former-dc-10-ai.html

@Bumblebee flew the P-3 at Aero Union for the US Forest Service I believe before they closed up shop. Do you still do any aerial firefighting, or any plans on returning to it?
 
@Bumblebee flew the P-3 at Aero Union for the US Forest Service I believe before they closed up shop. Do you still do any aerial firefighting, or any plans on returning to it?[/quote]

I miss watching those P-3s. I think it's a bunch of horse poop what happened.
 
inigo88 said:
Yep, as @zmiller4 said, this same aircraft "Tanker 910" hit trees on the "White Fire" (near Tehachapi) in 2007 - the first year they were operating it. They were able to climb out of the downdraft in time but the trees tore up the leading edge slats and left wing flaps pretty good. Photos are here:

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/2007/08/former-dc-10-ai.html

@Bumblebee flew the P-3 at Aero Union for the US Forest Service I believe before they closed up shop. Do you still do any aerial firefighting, or any plans on returning to it?
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FROM the link: "ex-military C-130s, P-3 Neptunes, or S-2 Trackers that have been repurposed to serve on the front lines of firefighting"

The problem is many of these "ex-military are in fact "ex-agency" with black hours not logged in the books. That's the story behind the H&P herc whose wings folded down in SoCal some years back. Video:
 
Crop Duster said:
FThat's the story behind the H&P herc whose wings folded down in SoCal some years back. Video:
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that's not really why that happened...there was a known problem with those wings and H&P couldn't afford to mitigate like the AF did...and the pilots flew anyway and ...and... and.... and....and so on.
 
Bumblebee said:
that's not really why that happened...there was a known problem with those wings and H&P couldn't afford to mitigate like the AF did...and the pilots flew anyway and ...and... and.... and....and so on.
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Huh. Not what I heard. Do tell. The and...and...and...and part is always the best stuff.
 
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