How is FAR 117 negatively impacting you?
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Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
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BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
Less days off, lower pay credits for lines/trips, uncommutable schedules and many lines that have only 2-days between trips, more long sits in hubs...This has been my experience thus far...Your mileage may vary, but I think it is too early to really assess whether 117 is a plus/minus for the pilots. However, if is a negative on the metrics for the airlines...As we used to say in the Navy, "standby for heavy rolls", it is going to get rough...
CirrusMonkey
No Real Usefulness
Edit: 10k posts. I think I need to go outside more.[/quote said:
Autothrust Blue
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falconvalley
Absentee Dad of the OOTSK, Runner, Cat Frustrator
I hate the way 117 has shredded the improvement in my base's trip credit, but I have not been out on the town with this many crews in years.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
A few months in, and I'm only seeing minor changes to scheduled trips. IROPs are a totally different matter since timing out, especially if you started early in the day, is a lot more likely to happen.
As for reserve, we still don't have the ability to bid 6 day on/1 day off blocks yet. We can swap into it now with FLiCA, but they're apparently going to have to go back and re-program the re-programming to get that back. Should be there in a few months. What this has done, at least in my base, is increased the number of guys getting "unstacked" in the bid process. My first month, I held every Friday off no problem, even though I'm dead last on the list. Now? I can't even get Thurs, much less Friday. Most of the high seniority guys bid to sit reserve Mon-Thur since a) you rarely get called since most people call in sick (aka schedule adjust, but that's a different thread) on the weekends and b) we're fat those days as a result of (a) and you get more long call days. So, what happens is us junior guys get stuck with reserve days we don't really want and off Mon-Wed. I had two lines in my bid, Fridays off and off Apr 3-5. Not one Friday off. My wife is having surgery on the 3rd (a Thursday), and not only did it NOT give me that off, it started me the Wed prior. Luckily, our CP's office rocks and has pretty much told me if the reserve grid (which is of course at mins on the days I need off) doesn't change enabling me to drop the days, they'll drop them for me if it comes to that.
Compounding the issue is the fact that both the PBS guys and Crew Planning are asking for another FIFTEEN crews on the 190 in MCO, but they never show up on the system bid that way. It's all WE'RE GROWING FLL!!!! YAY! Nevermind the fact we already don't have enough gates.....
As for reserve, we still don't have the ability to bid 6 day on/1 day off blocks yet. We can swap into it now with FLiCA, but they're apparently going to have to go back and re-program the re-programming to get that back. Should be there in a few months. What this has done, at least in my base, is increased the number of guys getting "unstacked" in the bid process. My first month, I held every Friday off no problem, even though I'm dead last on the list. Now? I can't even get Thurs, much less Friday. Most of the high seniority guys bid to sit reserve Mon-Thur since a) you rarely get called since most people call in sick (aka schedule adjust, but that's a different thread) on the weekends and b) we're fat those days as a result of (a) and you get more long call days. So, what happens is us junior guys get stuck with reserve days we don't really want and off Mon-Wed. I had two lines in my bid, Fridays off and off Apr 3-5. Not one Friday off. My wife is having surgery on the 3rd (a Thursday), and not only did it NOT give me that off, it started me the Wed prior. Luckily, our CP's office rocks and has pretty much told me if the reserve grid (which is of course at mins on the days I need off) doesn't change enabling me to drop the days, they'll drop them for me if it comes to that.
Compounding the issue is the fact that both the PBS guys and Crew Planning are asking for another FIFTEEN crews on the 190 in MCO, but they never show up on the system bid that way. It's all WE'RE GROWING FLL!!!! YAY! Nevermind the fact we already don't have enough gates.....