How do type ratings work outside the US?

elmetal

elmetal

Ain't nobody got time for that
If I were to say move to another country where the FAA doesn't rule, and get typed for say an A320, how would I bring that back to the US?

The question is basically because of this problem I foresee. If the type rating can't come into my FAA records, how can any PIC time come back since I wasn't typed as far as the FAA goes?

Anyone with international experience know how to deal with such things?
 
You're logging PIC time under the foreign state's rules; as long as that state is a member of ICAO, I don't see why it would be a problem. They can't tell you that you weren't in command of the aircraft, because they don't know how that state determines how PIC is logged.

Let's say you got a 737 job, then later applied to SWA with 2000hr PIC. The fact that your FAA cert doesn't have the type is irrelevant, because you were certified and flying under the the regulations of the foreign state.

In the same breath, I'll say that if it's ok with a foreign state, it's probably ok with the FAA, since they're pretty lenient. Most foreign pilots I've spoken to are surprised that the FAA allows somebody to log DUAL and PIC at the same time. I really can't argue with them because the FAA rule makes no sense to me...
 
elmetal said:
If I were to say move to another country where the FAA doesn't rule, and get typed for say an A320, how would I bring that back to the US? It's not possible to transfer a foreign type rating to your FAA certificate under most circumstances. The FAA will allow you to apply for an SIC type rating based on a foreign type rating, but not a full unrestricted type rating. You must go through an FAA approved course and take a type ride with an FAA designated examiner to get the full type rating.

The question is basically because of this problem I foresee. If the type rating can't come into my FAA records, how can any PIC time come back since I wasn't typed as far as the FAA goes? Separate issue here. Chief Captain has summed it up pretty well. You are logging the PIC on type under your foreign type rating.

Anyone with international experience know how to deal with such things?
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The nice thing about FAA type rating is they do not expire. Most foreign countries have expiration dates on your license and type rating, typically around 5 years. If you move to another type then five years later your previous rating disappears off your certificate. Under the FAA one could move back to another type and get it current for part 91 operations with a simple 61.58 check.


Typhoonpilot
 
sweet you guys answered all my questions and the followups that I had ready! Thanks guys!

So basically my time is good to go, but I don't have the type, although I might be able to get the SIC later with the FAA.

I completely agree about the dual and pic logging deal btw.

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Most airlines in Brazil send you to the US for the type rating, the training is the same as for an FAA type. ANAC sends somebody over to sit all the sessions. Pilots that have an FAA license also try to get the type on their license while there.

Some type of operations here, for example cargo won`t give you a type rating until you upgrade...
 
swisspilot said:
Most airlines in Brazil send you to the US for the type rating, the training is the same as for an FAA type. ANAC sends somebody over to sit all the sessions. Pilots that have an FAA license also try to get the type on their license while there.

Some type of operations here, for example cargo won`t give you a type rating until you upgrade...
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swiss you're always on top of it! That's pretty much specifically what I was hoping would happen. I'm gonna be down for for a few weeks in june/july, I'll let you know to see if there's anything going on
 
elmetal said:
swiss you're always on top of it! That's pretty much specifically what I was hoping would happen. I'm gonna be down for for a few weeks in june/july, I'll let you know to see if there's anything going on
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Keep also in mind that having a type rating is not so important to get a job, here even if you have a current type and let say you have been flying that plane but you get hired by an other company flying the same plane, you will have to do the type rating again...ANAC?!?!
 
swisspilot said:
Keep also in mind that having a type rating is not so important to get a job, here even if you have a current type and let say you have been flying that plane but you get hired by an other company flying the same plane, you will have to do the type rating again...ANAC?!?!
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That's pretty dumb..... but that's how things work down there. inefficiency to the rescue!
 
elmetal said:
That's pretty dumb..... but that's how things work down there. inefficiency to the rescue!
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I know, that`s not all, there is a requirement of 120 hours of company ground school (which translates to 1.5 months all day in class where the company pays you minimum wage) that any new hire has to sit, so if you get hired it will take like 2-3 months before you actually start flying, the time you have to spend in the SIM is a lot, as copilot you have to sit at least 50 hours in it.

getting a type here is pretty cheap, couple K$ for a 737-300 but it`s useless
 
swisspilot said:
I know, that`s not all, there is a requirement of 120 hours of company ground school (which translates to 1.5 months all day in class where the company pays you minimum wage) that any new hire has to sit, so if you get hired it will take like 2-3 months before you actually start flying, the time you have to spend in the SIM is a lot, as copilot you have to sit at least 50 hours in it.

getting a type here is pretty cheap, couple K$ for a 737-300 but it`s useless
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:/ C'est la vie

Where are you working now??
 
swisspilot said:
Keep also in mind that having a type rating is not so important to get a job, here even if you have a current type and let say you have been flying that plane but you get hired by an other company flying the same plane, you will have to do the type rating again...ANAC?!?!
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Thats the same in the US. When you get hired, you still must complete initial training in the aircraft you will be flying (121 and 135). Whether you have the type rating and 1000's of hours in the airplane is irrelevant, although it would definitely help getting the job!
 
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