Horizon pilot union goes to court over bonus

Maximillian_Jenius said:
A more pertinent question. What does Horizon guys/gals think of SkyWest?
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Probably the same thing ExpressJet thinks of Skywest, TSA, or ComutAir. Or Compass thinks of Republic. Or Envoy [American Eagle] thinks of Skywest. Or West Air thought of Skywest. Everyone thinks of PSA, GoJet, and Mesa.

Did I miss any?

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I don't think anybody at Compass bears any ill will towards Republic... I certainly haven't heard any on the line. A lot of our guys are ex republic anyway and are pretty happy to be here, even if a small number of airplanes went byby to republic, it's not like the pilots had a vote on taking those planes or anything.
Big mother D gives and big mother D takes. Not something pilots should get worked up over, unless there's whipsaw and pilots voting to undercut going on (ala gojets, PSA, etc...)
 
ASpilot2be said:
Judging by all the writing on the walls in the bathroom stalls in PDX, they arent fans.
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Haha, my favorite was the toilet seat cover dispenser being labeled as "SkyWest applications". I feel bad for the QX group, but at the same time there are many options these days and making QX a first choice is a a serious gamble given current state of labor management relations. I had three QX guys in my ground school at SkyWest, and many friends at QX asking me about SkyWest and I just got on the line....
 
BobDDuck said:
How do you know if you have a conflict on reserve days you haven't been assigned flying yet?
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Conflicts with the on call time. For example at Endeavor, you bid for 3 different on call times. If you get the 1000-2399 reserve you can pick up a trip that ends by midnight before your reserve days or a trip that starts at 1000 the day after your reserve days.
 
jtrain609 said:
They're actually taking the traditional route on this one, and are not the first union to go to a court first.
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Perhaps it starts in court, but I don't think it stays there for long. The obvious company arguement is "This is a minor dispute and those are handled by the NMB arbitration process in accordance with the RLA."
 
hook_dupin said:
Perhaps it starts in court, but I don't think it stays there for long. The obvious company arguement is "This is a minor dispute and those are handled by the NMB arbitration process in accordance with the RLA."
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Correct, or the judge agrees with the union and tells the company to cease their actions.

Life can be civilized if we choose to follow our own rules.
 
BobDDuck said:
How do you know if you have a conflict on reserve days you haven't been assigned flying yet?
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is this a serious question?

it doesn't let you pick up anything that would conflict with a scheduled reserve day....i don't quite see how that's so hard to understand.
 
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QX management is extremely arrogant. I am glad the union is taking this stance. Unfortunately, their management won't let up because of this and if their pilots end up walking, I'll support them 100%.
As far as QX vs. OO pilots? I know of a hand full of mostly old timers that have any animosity towards them (they are probably the ones responsible for the bathroom love letters). The rest of the pilot group had no bad feelings otherwise and would welcome OO pilots on the jump seat. Or at least that's how it was up until November. Maybe its changed now?
 
TrustMeI'maPilot said:
Conflicts with the on call time. For example at Endeavor, you bid for 3 different on call times. If you get the 1000-2399 reserve you can pick up a trip that ends by midnight before your reserve days or a trip that starts at 1000 the day after your reserve days.
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ian said:
is this a serious question?

it doesn't let you pick up anything that would conflict with a scheduled reserve day....i don't quite see how that's so hard to understand.
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The point of the question, and the reason a lot of places do not allow it, is because the system doesn't know what flying you will get on your reserve days. You are answering that it won't allow you to pick up time that would require rest in to your reserve periods. That's fine, but it doesn't address the real problem with flying on your off days.

The problem is when you pick up so much flying on your 2 off days that the system can't assign you a trip that pops up because it would put you over your flight time limits. It makes you less usable on the days that you are on reserve. Companies don't tend to like that.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
The point of the question, and the reason a lot of places do not allow it, is because the system doesn't know what flying you will get on your reserve days. You are answering that it won't allow you to pick up time that would require rest in to your reserve periods. That's fine, but it doesn't address the real problem with flying on your off days.

The problem is when you pick up so much flying on your 2 off days that the system can't assign you a trip that pops up because it would put you over your flight time limits. It makes you less usable on the days that you are on reserve. Companies don't tend to like that.
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Yep. Obviously you can protect against preknown reserve day rest requirements, but if you go over flight time limits, or establish a 117 anchor in a different theater or any number of other illegality issues when you pick up a trip on days off, the number of pairings that you can be assigned on your actual reserve day rapidly diminishes.

It's actually pretty hard to understand.
 
TrustMeI'maPilot said:
Conflicts with the on call time. For example at Endeavor, you bid for 3 different on call times. If you get the 1000-2399 reserve you can pick up a trip that ends by midnight before your reserve days or a trip that starts at 1000 the day after your reserve days.
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So then you don't have a 30 hour rest block in your lookback and you are useless to the schedulers for a full 6 day block or reserve (if you have that much). Not to mention you have eaten into your flight time limits for the week and possibly screwed up anchoring (although, not so much so at a regional). It's great they let you do it, but there are a ton of potential issues with it that tend to prevent it from happening at some shops.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
The point of the question, and the reason a lot of places do not allow it, is because the system doesn't know what flying you will get on your reserve days. You are answering that it won't allow you to pick up time that would require rest in to your reserve periods. That's fine, but it doesn't address the real problem with flying on your off days.

The problem is when you pick up so much flying on your 2 off days that the system can't assign you a trip that pops up because it would put you over your flight time limits. It makes you less usable on the days that you are on reserve. Companies don't tend to like that.
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If you're flying so much on reserve that you're coming up on flight time limitations I sincerely feel sorry for you. Far, far too much work.
 
BobDDuck said:
So then you don't have a 30 hour rest block in your lookback and you are useless to the schedulers for a full 6 day block or reserve (if you have that much). Not to mention you have eaten into your flight time limits for the week and possibly screwed up anchoring (although, not so much so at a regional). It's great they let you do it, but there are a ton of potential issues with it that tend to prevent it from happening at some shops.
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Well obviously in that case it would be a conflict so it wouldn't be approved. Also we're specifically talking about a regional here so anchoring isn't an issue.

I don't know how they work the cumulative limits because the only time I've picked up trips is if I could drop reserve days off my schedule.
 
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