hopefully not one of yours
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project7
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I highly doubt a controller has sent you, or anyone else you know into a mountain
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This has happened to me twice. Once by socal approach enroute from van nuys to riverside and once by mugu approach enroute from oxnard to van nuys. Both times I caught the conflict because I was taught to build fences during my IFR training.
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It isn't realistic to be checking altitudes on the chart or asking the controller about MVAs in the United States
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I do it constantly. If a controller is frustrated by it then tough sh*t. It's not their butt in the seat.
I highly doubt a controller has sent you, or anyone else you know into a mountain
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This has happened to me twice. Once by socal approach enroute from van nuys to riverside and once by mugu approach enroute from oxnard to van nuys. Both times I caught the conflict because I was taught to build fences during my IFR training.
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It isn't realistic to be checking altitudes on the chart or asking the controller about MVAs in the United States
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I do it constantly. If a controller is frustrated by it then tough sh*t. It's not their butt in the seat.
Terrible thing that happened and I can see where the confusion arose. Every time I get in the pattern with multiple Pam AM (PA) or Riddle (ER) aircraft confusion seems to take over. I know here in FL at Ft Pierce and Vero they at least refer to the aircraft as Pan AM 12 or 15, but aside from these two airports nobody knows the difference. That was one reason why FSI insisted that all its aircraft have different tail numbers.
project7
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The similar tail numbers are okay when you're at an airport which is familiar with them. At riddle in prescott we would say "riddle 12" and from what I understand that's what pan am does as well. We even used the "riddle #" call sign at local airports like deer valley. The problem is that when you go to an airport which is not familiar with you and you use the regular language of "one two echo romeo", it is easy to confuse with other "echo romeo" aircraft since it is at the end of the identification. When I used to take a riddle plane somewhere and heard another riddle plane on the same frequency I would always use the full tail number and, in the case of an uncontrolled field, I would advise other aircraft on frequency that there were in fact multiple "echo romeo" aircraft in the area. The only advantage I ever found (if you want to call it an advantage) is that many controllers and weather briefers would recognize you as a riddle student.