Homeland security conceeds defeat

Joe Gremlin said:
Betting that the TSA is going to do anything resembling effective and meaningful rule making in the wake of this event would be like betting on the Generals at a Harlem Globe Trotters game.
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ya but that 1,000,000:1 pay out would be sweet!!
 
Wonder what's gonna happen when one of them figures out to do it in the bathroom instead of at their seat. I mean, I know those little bathrooms are pretty cramped, but still.
 
ILSstud said:
Awesome....I hope all of you are writing your elected officials about this. I sent off letters to Senator Bill Nelson, my local congressman, and a generic letter to the TSA...not that it will do any good but hey.
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I think you meant BEN Nelson...I also think youre right.. You would have been better off writing Charlie Manson.
 
Rosstafari said:
Wonder what's gonna happen when one of them figures out to do it in the bathroom instead of at their seat. I mean, I know those little bathrooms are pretty cramped, but still.
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:yeahthat:

You'd think they'd have to watch "Passenger 57" at least a time or two at terrorist camp. Sure glad they don't.

Any bets on when restrooms will be disabled/permanently locked? I'm going to go with late 2013, fifty bucks...
 
Preferred stock to buy is motor homes and other private transportation set up for a long haul. Already corps are rescheduling to accomodate these alternate forms of transportation.

What prevents the USA saying if you want to land in our country you must comply with our requirements? Here's your copy of our requirements....

If a visa can be issued it can be revoked immediately. This whole DHS thang was to promote coordination of the various agencies.

I don't think I have ever wished for something to fail as much as I do the TSA.
 
shdw said:
I am telling you bro we are going to see complementary straight jackets and caged seat rows soon!

Does anyone see what is happening? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
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CON AIR?

kellwolf said:
Without going into detail, we got a list of new protocols yesterday via memo in our "virtual v-files." Basically, TSA is shuffling the extra stuff onto flight crews. I read it and immediately thought "Um.....if the screening stuff actually WORKED, we wouldn't need to do your jobs for you."
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I agree you should see the BS the cargo side has to put up with too.

Hacker15e said:
So, this is where we sit:

People at the KLM office in Nigeria and security in the Netherlands screwed up.

The DHS decides that to "do something" they'll institute a bunch of measures that have absolutely zero to do with fixing the root cause of the problem.

Got it.

Way to go, Janet. Yet another DHS success story.
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The sad part is that you most likely hear DHS blowing it's own horn on how great they are in the weeks to come...

Rosstafari said:
Wonder what's gonna happen when one of them figures out to do it in the bathroom instead of at their seat. I mean, I know those little bathrooms are pretty cramped, but still.
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Stop giving them ideas...
 
RICHARD5 said:
I don't think I have ever wished for something to fail as much as I do the TSA.
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+1.

It is actually conceptually a pretty good idea for a federal agency.

Unfortunately, the execution isn't -- to call it 'amateurish' is to totally insult amateurs everywhere.
 
our new screening process..

yes I stole the pic from another post.
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This whole idiocy of "being in your seat for the last hour of the flight, with nothing in your lap" requirement thats coming out. Why the last hour? Why not the last 2 hours? Or the first one or two hours? Or the whole flight?

I mean, at what point are the people not going to put up with this crap anymore of simply following what they're told, no matter how asinine?

Post 9/11, we went to being treated like we're checking into Rikers Island when going through airport security. Then Reid tries to blow up his shoe, and we all have to take shoes off. Then some British guy tries to mix chemicals, and we can no longer have more thn 3 oz of anything. Then this clown from the other day causes "no doing anything for the last hour of the flight."

What needs to happen is for someone, preferable a whole airplane of people, to exercise some civil disobedience to this regulatory crap and say ENOUGH! What if, a whole airplane of pax decided we're going to play with our ipod for the last hour, or read a book, or do whatever....even though the FA tells them not to? I know the FA is doing his/her job, but if the whole airplane refuses to comply with this obvious idiocy, in a completely civil manner, what would happen? Arrest the whole aircraft from row 1A aft?

Something like this needs to happen, or the idiot politicaians and bureaucratic hacks (most of whom don't fly commercially and aren't affected by their own idiotic rules) will keep enacting this sort of crap on we the people.
 
MikeD said:
This whole idiocy of "being in your seat for the last hour of the flight, with nothing in your lap" requirement thats coming out. Why the last hour? Why not the last 2 hours? Or the first one or two hours? Or the whole flight?

I mean, at what point are the people not going to put up with this crap anymore of simply following what they're told, no matter how asinine?

Post 9/11, we went to being treated like we're checking into Rikers Island when going through airport security. Then Reid tries to blow up his shoe, and we all have to take shoes off. Then some British guy tries to mix chemicals, and we can no longer have more thn 3 oz of anything. Then this clown from the other day causes "no doing anything for the last hour of the flight."

What needs to happen is for someone, preferable a whole airplane of people, to exercise some civil disobedience to this regulatory crap and say ENOUGH! What if, a whole airplane of pax decided we're going to play with our ipod for the last hour, or read a book, or do whatever....even though the FA tells them not to? I know the FA is doing his/her job, but if the whole airplane refuses to comply with this obvious idiocy, in a completely civil manner, what would happen? Arrest the whole aircraft from row 1A aft?

Something like this needs to happen, or the idiot politicaians and bureaucratic hacks (most of whom don't fly commercially and aren't affected by their own idiotic rules) will keep enacting this sort of crap on we the people.
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Then they have a few police busses and everyone gets charged with "failure to comply with a crew member's instruction/suspicious behavior.." and God knows what else. Ridiculous.
 
ILSstud said:
Then they have a few police busses and everyone gets charged with "failure to comply with a crew member's instruction/suspicious behavior.." and God knows what else. Ridiculous.
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I would love to see that happen........arrest a whole airliner? They can't manage one security checkpoint efficiently, much less arrest, process and hold a complete airliner pax load. Agree, ridiculous.
 
What I say...is all of us who are bitching and whining about this (which seems to be a large majority of the population given what I am reading) boycott flying until it stops. As unrealistic as this is to happen, I think dragging the airlines to their metaphorical knees is the only way TSA policies will change. Not enough people, collectively, are willing to give the finger and a few choice words to these people. What's worse, is it will only get worse, in my opinion.
 
ILSstud said:
I am waiting for them to take my mom's insulin and syringes away....LAWSUIT.
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What lawsuit?

It's in the interest of national security, my friend. And in that vein, your mom is unimportant. If she needs insulin and syringes, then she shouldn't fly.

(that's the logic I can see used)
 
ILSstud said:
What I say...is all of us who are bitching and whining about this (which seems to be a large majority of the population given what I am reading) boycott flying until it stops. As unrealistic as this is to happen, I think dragging the airlines to their metaphorical knees is the only way TSA policies will change. Not enough people, collectively, are willing to give the finger and a few choice words to these people. What's worse, is it will only get worse, in my opinion.
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Whats done is allowed to happen because:

- the government knows people will follow like good little sheep because they need to travel by air.

- the people enacting these stupid rules don't fly commercial anyway, so it doesn't affect them.
 
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