Holy Steep Approach Batman

Derg said:
That reminds me. Where in the hell is Autothrust Blue? Must be the new girlfriend...
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Do we need to run an operation like in Saving Silverman? According to this chart our fun is at an all time low.
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Derg said:
Well, written by lawyers and accountants, neither of which fly airplanes except for jtrain609 — oh and the occasional infallible line check airman that screwed something up so it's GOT to be the procedure that led him down that path... ;)
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There are more than you think!
 
Derg said:
That reminds me. Where in the hell is Autothrust Blue? Must be the new girlfriend...
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I really already made my point. Or I started to, then decided it wasn't worth it.

The NTSB has griped for a long time about positioning and ferry flights being conducted at a lower level of safety than their revenue counterparts. In the case of Pinnacle 3701, the tendency to play "I wonder what happens if..." (along with a disturbing lack of professionalism and knowledge of how to fly a jet in the flight levels) resulted in the loss of the aircraft and the deaths of two pilots.

Incidentally, Fisher Bros. d/b/a Northwest Airlink and Executive d/b/a American Eagle both had hull losses due to "sporty" turboprop flying--with revenue passengers on board, some of whom died.

You can get the most out of your machine and still display active compliance with company policy, is my point. And when you don't, the phone rings...


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Autothrust Blue said:
I really already made my point. Or I started to, then decided it wasn't worth it.

The NTSB has griped for a long time about positioning and ferry flights being conducted at a lower level of safety than their revenue counterparts. In the case of Pinnacle 3701, the tendency to play "I wonder what happens if..." (along with a disturbing lack of professionalism and knowledge of how to fly a jet in the flight levels) resulted in the loss of the aircraft and the deaths of two pilots.

Incidentally, Fisher Bros. d/b/a Northwest Airlink and Executive d/b/a American Eagle both had hull losses due to "sporty" turboprop flying--with revenue passengers on board, some of whom died.

You can get the most out of your machine and still display active compliance with company policy, is my point. And when you don't, the phone rings...


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That depends on your companies policy. Say like if you company had a policy of made up numbers instead of the ones the engineers came up with, or if there was a policy not to fly the airplane like the poh says you can.
 
z987k said:
That depends on your companies policy. Say like if you company had a policy of made up numbers instead of the ones the engineers came up with, or if there was a policy not to fly the airplane like the poh says you can.
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Air America takeoffs!! I fully intend on doing them in every plane I touch! :D :sarcasm:
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I really already made my point. Or I started to, then decided it wasn't worth it.

The NTSB has griped for a long time about positioning and ferry flights being conducted at a lower level of safety than their revenue counterparts. In the case of Pinnacle 3701, the tendency to play "I wonder what happens if..." (along with a disturbing lack of professionalism and knowledge of how to fly a jet in the flight levels) resulted in the loss of the aircraft and the deaths of two pilots.

Incidentally, Fisher Bros. d/b/a Northwest Airlink and Executive d/b/a American Eagle both had hull losses due to "sporty" turboprop flying--with revenue passengers on board, some of whom died.

You can get the most out of your machine and still display active compliance with company policy, is my point. And when you don't, the phone rings...


Sent from Seat 3D
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Dude, no one is saying this was a safe way to fly an airplane. Your point...was unnecessary. I don't think there is a pilot on this forum that would condone an extreme maneuver like that in a transport category aircraft ferry flight or not. My remarks above were only highlighting that an approach like this just isn't hard to do or as extreme as some might perceive it to be for that type of aircraft..

Safety issues acknowledged and set aside, there's been a lot of assuming about this video. How do we know there weren't ATR engineers on board and those guys weren't a test crew? Maybe, maybe not. Again they were not speaking English so it's pretty safe to say this did not happen in the good ole USA. So I don't think a YT video is gonna get them in trouble.

Aviation will always be full of hot doggers....The day that stops is the day I'll worry. As that will mark the death of actual pilots vs. automation systems operators. Because as long as pilots still have mad stick and rudder skills, common sense will be thrown out the window on occasion to push those skills to the extreme.
 
z987k said:
That depends on your companies policy. Say like if you company had a policy of made up numbers instead of the ones the engineers came up with, or if there was a policy not to fly the airplane like the poh says you can.
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Can versus need to is one thing - the airplane I fly is certificated for Flaps 18 (or 22) takeoffs, but we aren't trained on them (yet), and don't have numbers for them (yet), so we don't do them (yet).

Made up numbers will result in someone getting hurt, and would hopefully get rooted out during whatever review process the company uses to gin up its procedures. (Your company might just have some fleet engineers whose purpose is to gin up numbers — mine does.)
 
Looks like fun. Probably not something you should do in a transport catagory airplane, but fun nonetheless.
 
RightSeatGirl said:
Dude, no one is saying this was a safe way to fly an airplane. Your point...was unnecessary. I don't think there is a pilot on this forum that would condone an extreme maneuver like that in a transport category aircraft ferry flight or not............. Aviation will always be full of hot doggers....The day that stops is the day I'll worry. As that will mark the death of actual pilots vs. automation systems operators. Because as long as pilots still have mad stick and rudder skills, common sense will be thrown out the window on occasion to push those skills to the extreme.
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Sure there is. I thought it was great ! :)
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A150K said:
Looks like fun. Probably not something you should do in a transport catagory airplane, but fun nonetheless.
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This concept killed a bunch of people in buffalo. It's an airplane, it will fly just like a skyhawk.

I'll agree that I wouldn't do this with people in the back, for obvious reasons, but nothing they did was unsafe. Abnormal to the realm of airline ops, sure, but where did they exceed any airplane capabilities and or limitations?

It's an airplane, no more, no less.
 
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