Holy Steep Approach Batman

Well heres a question, what if the pilots both speak spanish, do they have to speak English amongst themselves? Of course we'll assume they talk to tower in English.
 
spoolinup22 said:
Well heres a question, what if the pilots both speak spanish, do they have to speak English amongst themselves? Of course we'll assume they talk to tower in English.
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I don't know the answer to that and I don't want to spread false information, but maybe one of the eagle/AMF guys can help us? (Two American companies off the top of my head that have operations in SJU and the Caribbean, and like to hire locals.) Logically, wouldn't it be necessary for any checklist items or cockpit callouts to be made in english? For CVR purposes, op specs, etc?
 
Yeah....I wouldn't think it would matter, as long as both pilots agreed. I mean even with the CVR they will have someone translate it. Look at any foreign accident...
 
 
Those St. Bart's photos are always pretty impressive. It would be pretty exhilarating to make the approach into there. I would love to go and check it out one day.
 
deadstick said:
When he started the descent, I thought I heard...singing....

Kidding...it sound like the guy was pretending to be rolling in on a strafing run, "taka-taka-taka." Just like Robert Shaw schooling the noobie in Battle of Britian.
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Using two movie references in one post...brilliant.
 
deadstick said:
Kidding...it sound like the guy was pretending to be rolling in on a strafing run, "taka-taka-taka." Just like Robert Shaw schooling the noobie in Battle of Britian.
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Before I went into the Air Force I had flown some as a civilian. My training had all been done through bush pilots and glider pilots. To me then, that encompassed all flying. I didn't realize at the time that bush and glider pilots have a very different attitude towards approaches. Fear of wing tip vortices, ground turbulence, mountain rotors, loss of engine power, short field clearances and all manner of other boogiemen (plus the fact that missed approach go-arounds are not an option) often leads them to fly approaches with lots of extra airspeed and steeper than normal glide slopes. (In the flare, the extra energy is bled off with a radical side slip, the way a snow skier turns sideways and digs-in in order to stop quickly.) So to me, this "strafing run" mental attitude was normal, the only sane way to safely land any aircraft.

Common Sailplane Kamikaze style attack on the runway


So this one-shot, no missed approach, short field landing subject has always been an interest of mine. I tried to bring this brilliant Kamikaze philosophy with me to Air Force pilot training. Guiding my ignorant instructors to true enlightenment. Although I set down on the "X" every time, my instructors went into PTSD and the Air Force was not pleased.
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The MHTG approaches are entertaining. Not a lot of time to think about this one. The base turn is pretty much the final.

 
spoolinup22 said:
Well heres a question, what if the pilots both speak spanish, do they have to speak English amongst themselves? Of course we'll assume they talk to tower in English.
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I don't know about American Eagle, but here in Spain, many companies require certain callouts to be done in English, and other cockpit conversation can be done in Spanish. You can choose to use the radio in either Spanish or English. Usually, we determine before the flight what language we will use for radio communications. With some guys, I have tried to do all cockpit conversation in English, but gave up and reverted to Spanish after getting asked "What? What?" repeatedly, haha. But at my company, we require the takeoff brief to be done in Engilsh, and I wonder if the other guy even understands me.
 
Derg said:
At my airline, it's on speed, on glide path, configured, with the throttles in a "normal" position by 1000 feet, or something like that.
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Ditto where I work, except 500' ATDZE (ATDZL? can't keep track of whether it's "elevation" or "level" - has the same effect) for visual approaches.

That said, I fly a jet, not a turboprop, and will thus avoid passing judgment.
 
deadpixel said:
whoop whoop sink rate pull up whoop whoop
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Without getting out my operating manual, common sense dictates if I hear the airplane saying that and it's not something I have an airport-specific, "By the way, you'll get a false EGPWS here, disregard if day VMC", I'm going to do precisely that, and get out of Dodge.
 
I'd be much more impressed with that approach in the OP if they didn't keep shifting their aimpoint. By the time they get anywhere close to needing to get into a normal approach attitude, they've all ready shifted their aimpoint halfway down the runway. Sort of ruins the whole point.
 
Hacker15e said:
I'd be much more impressed with that approach in the OP if they didn't keep shifting their aimpoint. By the time they get anywhere close to needing to get into a normal approach attitude, they've all ready shifted their aimpoint halfway down the runway. Sort of ruins the whole point.
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From the RSU: "Final go around, departure point reenter, make full stop."
 
Qutch said:
Before I went into the Air Force I had flown some as a civilian. My training had all been done through bush pilots and glider pilots. To me then, that encompassed all flying. I didn't realize at the time that bush and glider pilots have a very different attitude towards approaches. Fear of wing tip vortices, ground turbulence, mountain rotors, loss of engine power, short field clearances and all manner of other boogiemen (plus the fact that missed approach go-arounds are not an option) often leads them to fly approaches with lots of extra airspeed and steeper than normal glide slopes. (In the flare, the extra energy is bled off with a radical side slip, the way a snow skier turns sideways and digs-in in order to stop quickly.) So to me, this "strafing run" mental attitude was normal, the only sane way to safely land any aircraft.

Common Sailplane Kamikaze style attack on the runway


So this one-shot, no missed approach, short field landing subject has always been an interest of mine. I tried to bring this brilliant Kamikaze philosophy with me to Air Force pilot training. Guiding my ignorant instructors to true enlightenment. Although I set down on the "X" every time, my instructors went into PTSD and the Air Force was not pleased.
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I understand why no one flies passenger airplanes like this. Pax get scared of very normal things.
But any other airplane? I don't understand why not. Can you roll up the first 1000 feet and put it down at the end? When your engine fails(SE), do you magically get more lift to take you to the runway? No and No, so anything else is, in some sense, is reckless.

Oh and Turboprops FTW.
 
Hacker15e said:
I'd be much more impressed with that approach in the OP if they didn't keep shifting their aimpoint. By the time they get anywhere close to needing to get into a normal approach attitude, they've all ready shifted their aimpoint halfway down the runway. Sort of ruins the whole point.
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This is exactly right. Practicing and performing steep approaches is great... Did them all the time in the Brasilia. Landing halfway down the runway with shifting aim points is garbage, and indicates poor technique. Panning to yourself at the end just proves the jumpseater is a tool, and apparently had no idea what was even happening... I would have been embarrassed to be in a video like that, even as a jumpseater.
 
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