Holding at GPS Waypoints

[MidlifeFlyer]

So my question now is: why do we even state the quadrant if all it seems to do is confuse everyone?

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It doesn't confuse "everyone." It only confuses those who were not taught what it means. It is actually one if the things providing clarity. Consider the difference between example holds. I'm using a real location so you can look at it.

Hold southeast of NOGIC on V67.
Hold northwest of NOGIC on V67.

 

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The quadrant us exclusively based on the location of the inbound course. Look at the picture I posted above. There is a reason I did not show either right or left turns. They don't change the location of the inbound course.

I'm glad I bumped into this thread before I started working on my CFII.

That said, I think the confusion here shows that holding and holding clearances, as a general rule, need a big revision. Because it sure isn't taught that way! Or understood that way by many, many pilots.

-Fox

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

I'm glad I bumped into this thread before I started working on my CFII.

That said, I think the confusion here shows that holding and holding clearances, as a general rule, need a big revision. Because it sure isn't taught that way! Or understood that way by many, many pilots.

-Fox

You nailed it. It's the fault of how they are taught. They are one of those simple things taught in an overly complicated way.

I was totally confused by holds. Anything other than a published one was beyond me. Screwed up direct entries! I'd sit for hours in front of MS Flight Simulatir with a deck of cards with holding instructions and do them wrong. Somehow managed to luck out on checkrides.

It was actually after I got my II this light bulb came on. I started drawing holding clearances so I could "see" them better and suddenly realized the first two words told me exactly where to draw the line. "On the ### radial" just narrowed it down.