HNL from LAX

drhunterr

Well-Known Member
Westbound departure, climb and level at cruise - smoke smell in the cabin and cockpit. Turn around? Declare an emergency? Dump fuel? Your plane, Captain.
 

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
It's an ok scenario, but there is so much information that is missing.

-Can you trace the source

-Are you over weight

-Can you even dump fuel

-What's the weather

In general there is no reason to head off over water with any kind of potential issue so in the end I'm thinking you are going to end up back on the mainland.
 

mjg407

Well-Known Member
Westbound departure, climb and level at cruise - smoke smell in the cabin and cockpit. Turn around? Declare an emergency? Dump fuel? Your plane, Captain.
what is the smell? Electrical?
Seriously, a USN P-3 crew aborted, almost landing completely without electrical power (no hydraulics) due to air entering the cabin from the EDCs. Crew realized before landing that the smell was actually the burning smell from the wildland blaze consuming most of Florida at the time....:panic:
 

BobDDuck

Island Bus Driver
Ok, that makes more sense now. Yeah, there is no way that I would start west bound with an unknown smoke smell. It's bad enough when you are at 8000 feet and 20 miles from the airport and smell smoke.

It just kind of surprised me that they put people out on the slides
Better to get the people out before something happens. In 1980 a Saudi Arabian Airlines L1011 had a fire shortly after takeoff and the crew made an emergency return. Once they landed there was some kind of electrical problem and they couldn't get the main cabin door to open. While they sat and waited for the rescuers to punch in from the outside all 301 people on board were died from smoke inhalation.

The CVR shows a whole bunch of breakdowns including the captain never delegating anything, the FO making no attempt to help, and the SO continuing to mumble the words "no problem" during the entire event. Additionally the cockpit crew initially told the cabin crew there would be no emergency evacuation, and it wasn't until after they were stopped on the ground (after rolling down almost the entire runway) that they advised them to evacuate.

The fire had started in the aft cargo area and eventually burned forward into the cabin. Most bodies were found clustered near the front of the aircraft.

When in doubt, it's best to get everybody off the plane as quick as possible.
 

Polar742

All the responsibility none of the authority
Westbound departure, climb and level at cruise - smoke smell in the cabin and cockpit. Turn around? Declare an emergency? Dump fuel? Your plane, Captain.
1) Mask On
2) Complete any Immediate recall/memory items for smoke
3) Declare Emergency
4) Are you past your ETP? If so, go to HNL, if not LAX
5) Dump gas if you have time, if not land overweight.
6) On the ground, if it still smells, get out, and FAST

I didn't read the link.

Bob, I met the guy that was at Saudia at the time as an FE. He wasn't the chief FE, but had mad respect, and he knew the FE and Crew. There were alot of interesting factors involved....but you covered the highlights.

Further research, check out an accident in Corfu Greece.....
 

Maximilian_Jenius

Super User
Ok, that makes more sense now. Yeah, there is no way that I would start west bound with an unknown smoke smell. It's bad enough when you are at 8000 feet and 20 miles from the airport and smell smoke.



Better to get the people out before something happens. In 1980 a Saudi Arabian Airlines L1011 had a fire shortly after takeoff and the crew made an emergency return. Once they landed there was some kind of electrical problem and they couldn't get the main cabin door to open. While they sat and waited for the rescuers to punch in from the outside all 301 people on board were died from smoke inhalation.

The CVR shows a whole bunch of breakdowns including the captain never delegating anything, the FO making no attempt to help, and the SO continuing to mumble the words "no problem" during the entire event. Additionally the cockpit crew initially told the cabin crew there would be no emergency evacuation, and it wasn't until after they were stopped on the ground (after rolling down almost the entire runway) that they advised them to evacuate.

The fire had started in the aft cargo area and eventually burned forward into the cabin. Most bodies were found clustered near the front of the aircraft.

When in doubt, it's best to get everybody off the plane as quick as possible.
. . .yea, but in defense of the F/E. He was a donkey!
 

Trident

New Member
Ok, that makes more sense now. Yeah, there is no way that I would start west bound with an unknown smoke smell. It's bad enough when you are at 8000 feet and 20 miles from the airport and smell smoke.



Better to get the people out before something happens. In 1980 a Saudi Arabian Airlines L1011 had a fire shortly after takeoff and the crew made an emergency return. Once they landed there was some kind of electrical problem and they couldn't get the main cabin door to open. While they sat and waited for the rescuers to punch in from the outside all 301 people on board were died from smoke inhalation.

The CVR shows a whole bunch of breakdowns including the captain never delegating anything, the FO making no attempt to help, and the SO continuing to mumble the words "no problem" during the entire event. Additionally the cockpit crew initially told the cabin crew there would be no emergency evacuation, and it wasn't until after they were stopped on the ground (after rolling down almost the entire runway) that they advised them to evacuate.

The fire had started in the aft cargo area and eventually burned forward into the cabin. Most bodies were found clustered near the front of the aircraft.

When in doubt, it's best to get everybody off the plane as quick as possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
 

mrivc211

Well-Known Member
Holy #$Q#$Q#$Q#$Q#$. You do realize this EXACT SAME THING HAPPEND TODAY. LAX-HNL. AA757 smoke in cabin. Turned around and landed opposiye direction. Evac on the runway.
 
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