Hired!

Don't get caught up in the B.S. The B.S. will decide your future at that company. If they stricke probies will be on the street.
Well maybe he should have just stayed on the street and collected unemployment and let another pilot take the position then. It's sad to me when professional pilots can not behave as one group and support one another. The "us" versus "them" mentality got old a long time ago. No one can predict what will happen either. Things are may not be the best there at the moment, but there are worse choices too. Pilots, especially with low hours, just need to survive right now and take what jobs they can. Is this the best situation? Of course not. But what immediate alternative is there? The Regionals are not and were never meant to be a career. At most of them the pilots can find plenty to complain about or panic about and run around screaming like their hair is on fire. How does this benefit anyone? They ALL are working for less than desirable wages in truth. Perhaps they will iron out their contract issues. No one has a crystal ball and all management are known to puff and threaten many things, and many of them never happen.

Instead of all the Mainliners constantly giving the stink eye to their fellow pilots, how about a little encouragement, empathy and understanding for a change? After all, that is the position that many of them began their careers in or have they all just forgotten that already? If a pilot can work, gain more experience and time and increase their chances of being hired at a major at some point, then what is the issue? I say, keep yourself focused and keep plugging along. Don't fault the pilots at the Regionals, fault the management at the Mainliners who created and have manipulated this situation with Regional flying from day one. Look at the pilots groups at the Mainliners who allowed this. Only the pawns at both ends are different, but the game is the same.

It's always amazing to me especially, when the cushy Captains at the Mainliners are looking down at others who are struggling to get into the industry are always quick to judge and gripe. The Regionals cannot scope themselves, in all truth. The Mainliners gave away and and laid down on scope over the years faster and more often than a $20.00 street girl in Hong Kong and now have the nerve to whine? Seriously? I am not sure what all the bickering and all the Zola the Magnificent predictions get anyone, either.

The economy is rough, very rough right now and other alternative jobs are few and far between and the competition for them is stiff. The opportunities are less than in previous times. Pilots wanting to eat their own, is not helping. Giving away and allowing the giving away of the the work and then slamming those who take the work, is hypocrisy at it's best. It's fine of course to work at the big happy Mainliners who created all of this mess in the first place though isn't it and then look down at their creation and pooh pooh the pilots there. None of this will be solved by doing so either. You want to protect the profession? Then protect and gain back the scope on THAT (the Mainline) level. One can point all the fingers that they want to at Regional pilots, but the true onus comes from looking in the mirror.

Personally, I would rather wish Jet well, hope this works out, and keep my fingers crossed for him.
 
Well maybe he should have just stayed on the street and collected unemployment and let another pilot take the position then. It's sad to me when professional pilots can not behave as one group and support one another. The "us" versus "them" mentality got old a long time ago. No one can predict what will happen either. Things are may not be the best there at the moment, but there are worse choices too. Pilots, especially with low hours, just need to survive right now and take what jobs they can. Is this the best situation? Of course not. But what immediate alternative is there? The Regionals are not and were never meant to be a career. At most of them the pilots can find plenty to complain about or panic about and run around screaming like their hair is on fire. How does this benefit anyone? They all are working for less than desirable wages in truth. Perhaps they will iron out their contract issues. No one has a crystal ball and all management are known to puff and threaten many things, and many of them never happen.

Very well said, I couldn't agree more! I've heard negative comments about every regional except Skywest. Six months ago I was convinced that I had just landed the perfect regional job. AE was hiring like crazy all year and planned to continue for the rest of last year with another 700 new hires this year. Upgrade just dropped from over 8 years to 5 and was forecasted to be 3 when it was my turn. I was even going to get the option for a flow through ticket to mainline down the road. Life was looking good but instead I got to trade in my car for an old van to sleep in at night.
 
You guys deserve combat pay! lol Seriously, how someone cannot understand the emotional, mental and physical roller coaster that pilots are experiencing in this industry lately, is beyond me. You work hard to get a job, you have a job, you move, you don't have a training date, you have a training date, the dates change or are postponed, you kill yourself getting through the training, you fly, you suddenly don't have a job, you look for work and get another job if you are lucky and maybe have to move yet again and have to train once again and hope this job lasts and you can survive there or at least get enough time to move somewhere else. It's constant musical chairs.

Just follow your gut, try and gain some useful advice (and I underline the word useful), stay away from the drama and rumor mill, stay focused, stay positive, keep networking, concentrate on the good parts, take care of your health, try to have some fun, and keep flying. All the crap, is at some point, temporary. You are still a 121 pilot, just flying fewer seats. I wish you my best.
 
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Congrats on the job, Jet. I'm curious why you chose RAH instead of any other flying job, regional or not. Things don't seem too stable there right now.
 
AE was hiring like crazy all year and planned to continue for the rest of last year with another 700 new hires this year.

I am sorry but I am still amazed how people saw this as a good thing and not a red flag....
 
I am sorry but I am still amazed how people saw this as a good thing and not a red flag....
Kind of. They had a good amount of movement with the captains. As long as there are captain upgrades the hiring is fine. Some extra was from the new rest rules.
 
I am sorry but I am still amazed how people saw this as a good thing and not a red flag....

Haha, that's very easy to say after the fact. I didn't know lots of hiring and upgrade movement was a bad thing. AE would have done just fine if they were able to get spun off before the bankruptcy in my opinion. The funny part is that I would have still taken the job even if I knew for a fact I was going to get furloughed. I gained way more from AE then they gained from me since I'm now able to put down previous 121 experience on my resume with a couple hundred hours of jet time which I'm willing to bet money is the only reason I got the job I have now with my low time. It's hard to get that first break and I'm thankful that Eagle gave it to me and I have no hard feelings working for that company.

Congrats on the job, Jet. I'm curious why you chose RAH instead of any other flying job, regional or not. Things don't seem too stable there right now.

Thanks. I live in one of their bases and to be honest I think RAH and Skywest are two of the best regionals to jump on right now. Take away the union/management contract negotiation drama and you have an airline not limited and set up for great growth. If I wait for the perfect airline with the best contract before I apply I will be a very old man before I find it. As A Life Aloft previous said, all of the regional airlines have their issues and problems. As far as taking another job, it will be 10 years before I have enough mins for corporate flying and the airline job is what I want to do.
 
Hey A life, you missed my point there completely. Yes, I have walked a mile and then some in regional shoes and worked at the • hole carrier he now works for. The regionals have continue to get worse year after year and aren't even recognizable from when I left them several years ago. If you want better QOL, a chance at job, better pay etc, you better get involved with all the union BS there. not getting involved is what mgmt is counting on. It wouldn't suprise me if it went to a strike at all over there. The union and mgmt are gonig toe to toe, suing each other, and the BB, WH are the antt-christ IMO. The place is a total cluster right now as Rage stated.

I understand the need to take a job for a pay check. However, with less than a 1000 hours a person could probably make more money, have less stress, and better QOL in the 135 freight world.
 
Well I barely lasted one week on furlough from Eagle and I already have a class date with another regional. I still have a bad case of SJS since I'm quite excited about the new changes which include auto-throttles, slats, a lot more thrust, more pay and 2 lavs!
Congrats on flying the Embraer Mainline Jet.

(No, seriously, congratulations.)
 
If you want better QOL, a chance at job, better pay etc, you better get involved with all the union BS there. not getting involved is what mgmt is counting on. It wouldn't suprise me if it went to a strike at all over there. The union and mgmt are gonig toe to toe, suing each other, and the BB, WH are the antt-christ IMO. The place is a total cluster right now as Rage stated.

That's why we pay the union a percentage of our salary so we don't have to stress over that stuff. A good union will get the job done. They have actually made forward progress in the last week with the contract negotiations. They won't strike, there is to much to lose.

JET, congrats on your job .. I wish it was with another company though.
Www.rahcontractnow.ORG
For those looking into RAH.
Personally I wouldn't consider going there until the guys get a new contract .. it's a mess.

Thanks. I just read that website and it sounds like what it was like at AE. That contract is over 10 years old and it's only about $2 less an hour across the board from my last job so when the new contract comes out it should hopefully be above average. What regional doesn't have 5 year upgrade? GoJet, Siver or GLA maybe. On the bright side, with RAH I won't have any more junior manning and I don't have to sit at the airport all day in uniform with ready reserve.
 
Unfortunately, the situation at RAH is so bad that the pilots have NOTHING to lose if they strike. RAH has been having problems finding new pilots for a while so they tried to raise the first year pay(which didn't fall through) and now they are offering $5000 signing bonuses. I wish you would of saw the site before you actually applied, I am sure you would of thought twice in going over to RAH. Good luck to everyone involved over there.
 
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