Hired at Piedmont!!!

You son of a gun! Thinking you can just skip way ahead of me like that! haha j/k

A BIG congrats from me man. :nana2:
 
UAL747400 said:
You son of a gun! Thinking you can just skip way ahead of me like that! haha j/k

A BIG congrats from me man. :nana2:
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Haha thanks, it was nice not to have to spend the money (which would've had to have been financed) on CFI training, although some day I want to go earn that certificate so I can gain some valuable experience on the side instructing.
 
Hiya, First off congrad(t)z for having the opportunity to do this.

I do have a comment though that may not be to popular with the masses here at JC,.. but at the same time perhaps most will / should agree:

There is always the talk of people lowering the bar and the minimal experience that we see going into our regional operators which ultimately run this profession into the ground.

The pay rates and other quality of life issues as well as SERIOUS safety concerns due to the lack of experience are here because of new hires such as yourself stepping into something that you may not truly be prepared for.

Now I always see talk from guys like Seggy, JohnH, and other great guys like Don, and of course the Man himself (DouGh) on the forum expressing the need to gain experience as an aviator prior to actually being responsible for carrying paying passengers at some scheduled airliner outfit.

But the odd (and quite hypocritical) thing is that people here are not actually speaking up when NOW is the time to once again be show that experience is and should be required to actually work ones way up to the 121 level.

Once again, Congrats.. but more so for having the opportunity to interview.

I just wonder if new hires such as yourself whom have very little experience out flying or even teaching others how to fly are actually ready to be making decisions based on experience that simply isn't / hasn't been there.

Fly safe

-perpetual
 
Congrats on getting hired at Piedmont. I have a buddy that is going to start training there as well in october. Do you guys do all your training in CLT? I know I saw a bunch of Piedmont guys while I was in training for AWAC.
 
perpetual said:
I just wonder if new hires such as yourself whom have very little experience out flying or even teaching others how to fly are actually ready to be making decisions based on experience that simply isn't / hasn't been there.
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Eh, I had a whole post typed out but I'm too tired to make it sound coherent... So I'll just go with this.

They're not. There is no question about it. However, if the hiring departments at various regionals (and the FAA) are going to give them the opportunity to get on at this ridiculously low times, then they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. It's more a question of how quickly they gain the experience to operate (and eventually lead) a 121 crew with X number of people in the back. If somebody goes in KNOWING that they are low time and haven't seen it all, and is willing to take advice and learn, then I think, that while certainly a determent, super low time can be overcome. However, if they come in thinking they are gods gift to aviation BECAUSE they got hired at such low time, they and everybody who has to fly with them, are screwed.
 
Hiya Bob,

They're not. There is no question about it. However, if the hiring departments at various regionals (and the FAA) are going to give them the opportunity to get on at this ridiculously low times, then they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. It's more a question of how quickly they gain the experience to operate (and eventually lead) a 121 crew with X number of people in the back.
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While I understand (the sad fact) that everyone is out to look for what's best for number one (themselves), I do feel that because we don't actively stop others from doing this, we are still shooting ourselves in the foot.

Jace has made a decision to help only himself in this case,(again this is expected just like you've said, to take advantage of the situation etc).

Now I am not judging, just trying to give another view on what is factually happening with this. I am however, not sure if he himself has thought about going through the different levels of aviation to reach an experience level that will actually prepare him for the one possible time that he may need it later on.

I do feel that a CFI/CFII/MEI (with actual teaching experience) + Cargo and Freight operations (single and multi crew operations) breed aviators with the experience required for future higher performance, multi-crew 121 airline operations. (Military Guys as well)

The CO-pilot /first officer of an airliner whether it be a 747 or Dash 8 needs to be COMMAND material from the start in case the need arises (captain sick/ incapacitated, abnormal situation, emergency etc).

This ability comes from previous experience and only experience alone not taught during type training etc. It is this previous experience that carries on to allow you to make the -=correct=- decisions in any aircraft you fly etc. Knowing the aircraft is only one part of the experience puzzle.

Additionally, it would be -=fantastic=- if newly hired CRJ/DASH8/insert xxx airframe here_____ first officer crew were not "learning" about aviation with paying families in the back of the plane.

Thoughts, everyone?

-Perpetual
 
perpetual said:
Hiya Bob,

While I understand (the sad fact) that everyone is out to look for what's best for number one (themselves), I do feel that because we don't actively stop others from doing this, we are still shooting ourselves in the foot.

Jace has made a decision to help only himself in this case,(again this is expected just like you've said, to take advantage of the situation etc).

Now I am not judging, just trying to give another view on what is factually happening with this. I am however, not sure if he himself has thought about going through the different levels of aviation to reach an experience level that will actually prepare him for the one possible time that he may need it later on.

I do feel that a CFI/CFII/MEI (with actual teaching experience) + Cargo and Freight operations (single and multi crew operations) breed aviators with the experience required for future higher performance, multi-crew 121 airline operations. (Military Guys as well)

The CO-pilot /first officer of an airliner whether it be a 747 or Dash 8 needs to be COMMAND material from the start in case the need arises (captain sick/ incapacitated, abnormal situation, emergency etc).

This ability comes from previous experience and only experience alone not taught during type training etc. It is this previous experience that carries on to allow you to make the -=correct=- decisions in any aircraft you fly etc. Knowing the aircraft is only one part of the experience puzzle.

Additionally, it would be -=fantastic=- if newly hired CRJ/DASH8/insert xxx airframe here_____ first officer crew were not "learning" about aviation with paying families in the back of the plane.

Thoughts, everyone?

-Perpetual
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Way to piss in someone elses cherios bro. If you want to debate this topic, start another thread.

My opinion only!
 
Ya know what's funny is I hear the same whines from military buds of mine, complaining about their newly-qual'ed wingmen in the F-16 and F-15, and how said wingmen pose a greater threat to them than any enemy.
 
JaceTheAce said:
I'll be an FO on the Dash 8! :D The people at Piedmont really made the interview process as least stressful as possible. I'll report more later, but I've been up since 5am EST (2am PST!) for a 7am interview, so my mind is shot. I flew the sim check on 4 hours of sleep (yikes!).
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Holy FREEKING cow, how in the hell did I miss this?!

CONGRATS man! :)
 
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